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I'm refering to question 11.F on Federal 4473, I was fine on the NJSP Certificate of Eligibility form. And I was voluntarily admitted so I should have answered no. Dang it! I'll give him a call get it sorted as soon as I can. I'm pissed at myself for not reading the fine print on that one. It just didn't feel right when I answered that, that's why I asked. Thanks for the info kman this is exactly what I was looking for.

I know some of you are NJ FFL dealers so I was curious of your take on my situation. I doubt many of you remember my post back in may but pretty much for the past year I've been going back and forth with the NJSP. I already have my FID, which I got back in 2000 and I had gotten pistol permits before multiple times but early this year when I put in for a couple more permits I was flagged for a mental hospital visit I did as a minor. Long story short I had to go to a psych for a full mental evaluation, which I did. I have an official letter verifying my ability to be trusted with firearms. I submitted this along with my app to the NJSP, who said it looked good, sent it to Trenton, who also said it looked good and I finally got my permits. Last night I bought my first pistol with one fo my recently attained permits. I bought it from a FFL dealer that I know, who was famliar with my situation. On one of the forms I had to fill out with questions like , "are you a alchoholic?" or "are you a fellon?", there was a question that went something like "are you mentally ill OR have you ever been to a mental institution?" to answer honestly I had to say Yes to this one. My dealer buddy said it wasn't really a big deal cause that form was more just for his paperwork and in most cases it doesn't go anywhere but his filing cabinet. After I filled out the paperwork, he did the NICS check and everything went fine, I have my pistol. My question is in other cases where I don't know the dealer, is answering yes to that question going to be an issue for me with the dealer? Should I only buy from dealers I know? Sometimes I buy long arms at gunshows in PA and it would be a bummer if that wasn't an option anymore. Do I need to bring a copy of my psych eval with me when I go gun shopping? That would seem odd but the way things are in this state I just don't know anymore.

My guess would be they are compiling many more records then just involuntary committs with grant money. In my case anyway I was voluntarily commited and my parents fronted the bill. I remember cause it was a pretty major bill. The timing would fit though cause I was able to get some pistol permits without issue as late as '07(or around there). I don't think I made it clear above but I was commited for just over a week as a minor in 1993 and they're just dragging it out now.

It was at Saint Claire Riverside near Summit NJ if I recall and voluntary, not sure what class of institution that is. I just find it odd that this is showing up now. Never in my adult life has this ever come up. I am going to get the letter, provided I don't have to go through some sort of analysis for months or something crazy like that. If they're will to start going into minor records get ready for people being rejected for rehab visits as teens, JV as teens, all sorts of infractions. It's gonna be a treasure trove of items to reject people for. njgunowner: The state does know it was a one time thing. They knew the exact date I was in and the amount of time I was there.

Yuck, what a mess. I see the shrink I went to back then is still practicing so I guess I could go back to him and see if he'll certify me a capable human being. This all happened 20 years ago but he was a friend of the family so maybe he'll help me out. Although I really doubt many shrinks are too eager to validate their patients to purchase firearms. The cop hasn't submitted anything so I have time to sort it out without anything being effected in trenton. They must have expanded the mental health check but this really caught me off guard. Going into people's records when they were minors is a bit invasive if you ask me, like they're fishing for reasons to not give permits.

I'm a little pissed off right now so excuse my spelling. Ok, so I got my Firearms Purchasers ID card back in 2000. I initially got it with a pistol permit and bought one. Then a around 2005 I got some more permits and bought a couple more pistols. This was all through my local state police. Five months ago I put in for some more pistol permits. After not hearing anything for so long I called up the barracks to find out why such a long delay. I was told it's because I triggered the mental health warning because I was hospitallized when I was 15. Which I was, I also didn't put that on my form because I was a minor AND because it's never come up before. Now I'm being told to get permits I need to go to a shrink and be approved to own firearms. wtf! Do mental infractions when you're a minor really apply? The cop told me he was doing me a favor by not submitting it to trenton and waiting for me to get the proper paperwork in line, although no one called me for five months!!!

Gun opposition doesn't hesitate to try and try again to make all firearms illegal. Why should the firearm freedom defenders stop at a single attempt? I say, sue away! Sue sue sue!

Talk about being scared of SKS's, the last gun show I went to a couple weeks ago at Yugo SKS's for $750! That just seems insane to me.

Haha, that's a good one.

At least in that world the children will finally be safe.

Did you guys to the Ruger mailer thing? I think that's where this correspondence is from.

Received a response to a message I sent to Menendez. I'm not even sure which message I've sent out so many in the past few weeks. It actually doesn't sound very good. "We need to save the children from those evil black and pointy guns!" I swear if they ever pass national martial law it'll be under the guise of protecting the children.

I actually have a really nice fax machine that I never use. It was nice to finally have a reason to use it.

Thanks tango I'll keep that in mind next time I call. I did manage to get faxes through though.

Ok, I have a basic question since I'm new to protesting politics in a capacitive manner. I called the assembly majority office earlier but I didn't really know what to say so I hung up when someone answered, sounded like a secratary. What do you say? That you don't want them to pass further gun laws in NJ, enforce the existing ones, to the secratary? I didn't know who to ask for, if anyone. What's the angle? I just don't like calling up without some sort of plan.

I'm in the same boat as you with not wanting more then one handgun of the same caliber. It's an anal retentive thing, some people just don't get it. So with .45s out I'd go with... -9mm Sig p226 -.22 Ruger Mk III (plenty of choices) -some kind of revolver

I had always thought vermont was fairly restrictive on firearms. Much more then it's neighbor New Hampshire but after just brushing up in VT firearms laws I'm happy to say I was incorrect.

An anti-gun rally in Jersey City? I'd be worried I'd get shot going to that. That's kind of a catch 22. If the place is all cleaned up like they say it is then why the protest? If nothing but fine upstanding citizens live there then I'm sure there nothing but legal firearms are to be found. However if the place is still the urban wasteland that it used to be, and like we all know it is, then I can see how some folks may want to protest out of pure frustration. However protesting for more gun laws is going to do nothing for the thugs passing around midnight specials in back alleys.

I doubt if many people subscribe to those papers in the first place. It's their dwindling readership that is encouraging them to voice such a strong opinion. I think they don't mind showing their anti-gun sides because so much of NJ is anti gun. They're trying to appeal to the readership. I don't think it matters though, boycott or not they no longer have a valid business model.

The first question is always, what's a assault weapon? The basic answer is any gun that's black and pointy. Do citizens need black and pointy guns? Maybe, maybe not. The issue is more that in a free country laws cannot be arbitrary. Passing a law to ban others from possessing something you don't like isn't how it works. Last I checked it's illegal to kill people in the USA, banning AW will have enothing to effect that. There are millions out in circuation, law enforcement has them, military. More shootings are gonna happen regardless if the weapons are black and pointy. It's unfortunute that on this issue Obama has decided to play favorites, passing laws to placate a certain section of the popolace at the cost of sacrificing the freedoms of others.

Nice, I hadn't seen that. Filled out and sent.

I wouldn't bother unless it's from the factory modified and I had a reciept verifying what it is and where I bought it. I just don't think it's worth it otherwise.

I was already planning on going to a gun show on 1/19 so I'm good.

Myself and family members have purchased multiple firearms in PA over the years and it's never been an issue. In all my instances they had me fill our all the same forms I would have filled out in NJ. Typically I find that if the dealer is unfamliar with what do to they won't sell to you at all just be upfront that you're from NJ and if they give the go ahead then your fine. In the case of an auction house I'd call them ahead of time to make sure that it's alright. Even if it's perfecly legal some places just don't want to deal with NJ folk regardless.

I've got a good one about going to a range in NY. My buddy is in the NYPD. He's from NJ though, he move to NY state just so he could work for the NYPD. He's been into guns his whole life as have I. So he invited me to come up there and shoot at a indoor range with him, one that was right near his house. So I loaded up my Num. 4 Mk1 Enfield, a few boxes of .303 and just for good measure I brought a Ruger Mark III target pistol, a real nice one that I hadn't shot much. I can't recall what my buddy brought I think a M1A and a Mauser, something like that. So we arrive at the range and fill out a couple forms. The guy asks us what we're shooting, we show him. Then he asks if the rounds were shooting were lead(at this particular range you were only allowed to shoot lead rounds), we show him the boxes and where it says lead. Then he told us that often times there's still steel in the slug and he pulls out a big magnet. Puts it up to the Enfield rounds, there's steel can't shoot em, puts em up the M1A rounds, steel can't shoot em, then puts em up to the Mauser rounds, steel can't shoot em, lastly he puts on the .22 rounds, they're good! At least we'll get to shoot something. Then he asks my buddy for the permit for the pistol(or whatever they call it in NY) and he says it's mine and I'm from NJ. The guy looked like he was gonna shit pants. He closed up the case and gave it back to me and told me that the penatly for bringing a pistol into NY was severe. Basically told us to get out of there back to NJ with that gun ASAP, which we did. And here I'm with my buddy I've known since childhood, NYPD cop and everything and he had no idea how bad he could have screwed me. That was about 5 years ago but I still tease him about it to this day.