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Out of State LEO asked the NJSP about carrying hollow point ammo in NJ got this reply: As per state statute, based on the reason for your visit (vacation), and as you will not be engaged in activities pursuant to subsection f. of N.J.S. 2C:39-6, you are prohibited from carrying hollow point ammunition in your handgun while in New Jersey. Be advised that the Association of Firearm and Toolmark Examiners (A.F.T.E.)define “hollow point” as “a bullet with a cavity in the nose to facilitate expansion.” According to the New Jersey State Police Ballistics Unit, three alternative rounds to a hollow point are identified by the Ballistics Unit as follows: Hornady Critical Defense Federal Expanding Full Metal Jacket Corbon / Glaser PowR Ball Each use a different technology to facilitate expansion and do not have a “hollow” cavity. In the case of the PowR Ball and the Critical Defense, each uses a polymer to fill the “cavity,” and therefore are considered to be Expanding Type bullets falling short of a “hollow point.” Original email here: http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i428/krdshrk2/njsp_hollowpoint.jpg

Confirmed by the Supreme Court in DC. v. Heller. Justice Scalia wrote the opinion of the court and said: "...Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment . We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997) , and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35–36 (2001) , the Second Amendment extends, prima facie,to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding."

"All weapons being transported under paragraph (2) of subsection b., subsection e., or paragraph (1) or (3) of subsection f. of this section shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.” I transported a handgun home from the shop in a tied plastic bag a few days ago. Bought a gun and ammo. Dealer put the gun in one plastic bag, the ammo in the other. I drive a pickup with no cap, the gun and ammo went on the passenger side floor with the bags tied shut. I'm not suggesting you do this because if I had been stopped by a clairvoyant cop that could tell what was in the bag, I probably would have been arrested. But my attorney would have explained that I was following the law to the letter.

Every firearm owner should read the law for themselves. The relevant sections are NJSA 2C:39-5 and 6. I'm not a lawyer. Read it for yourself or ask your attorney for his opinion. Here's what the law says: NJSA 2C:39-5 lists what you can’t possess in NJ. The is the list of things you can’t transport (or even possess) is: Machine gun Handgun Rifles and shotguns (without obtaining a firearms perchaser identification card) A loaded rifle or shotgun Other weapons Any weapon on school grounds including imitation weapons An assault firearm NJSA 2C:39-5 sections e and f lists the exemptions to the rule above. This section tells you when you can transport and it only applies to handguns, rifles, and shotguns. If you follow the rules in section g below, it is legal to transport handguns, rifles, and shotguns: Between a gun shop and you home or business, between your home and business, between your home or business and a gunsmith or between residences if you are moving. To a rifle range if you’re a member and the range has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent To hunt with a valid hunting license To or from any exhibition or display of firearms (there is a list of organizations that can host) as long as the superintendent has been notified of the event at least 30 days prior Finally, section g tells you how you can transport. "All weapons being transported under paragraph (2) of subsection b., subsection e., or paragraph (1) or (3) of subsection f. of this section shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.”

California with the most social programs to help felons transition into society has a recidivism rate of 70%. In Arizona where they stick you in the desert for your sentence has a recidivism rate of 25%. Don't make prison fun and comfortable, people will just come back.

Other groups that are racist: physicists - "black hole" farmers - "yellow squash" hoteliers - "red roof inns" cooks - "brownies" I guess I'm just too stupid to pretend to be so sophisticated and enlightened.

I used to "brown bag" my lunch every day. I did not know until now that I was a racist.

Ridiculous that we're so afraid of gun ownership that we're even afraid to do things that are perfectly legal like a private sale. This state is insane and they've obviously managed to break us all.

I'm always surprised how many people are driven by emotion and have no time for facts.

As I understand the decision, it is okay to violate a constitutional right as long as (1) you've been violating that right for long enough - "long standing tradition" or (2) it's for the greater good - "intermediate scrutiny". I can't believe they would even say this, the can't possibly believe it to be true.

Cops got a call, they investigated, found no crime and left. Good policing. I'm also not opposed to the actions of the kid with the gun except that he was intentionally trying to set the cops up. Carrying a gun to condition people to think it's normal is weird and probably ineffective. In fact it probably hurts more than it hurts but I'm not hating the guy for just doing something that he thinks will help. Too bad he's too sure of himself to listen to wise advice though.

Some here have contacted their state senators for assistance and gotten someone from the NJSP to at least call them to keep them informed.

How far does this requirement go? Are Nebraska FFLs required to use the NJSP NICS instead of federal NICS? Will Nebraska FFLs know to ask for my FID and will they fill out whatever paperwork is required by NJ? And how does a Nebraska FFL know what the rules are in NJ? I'm only picking Nebraska as a generic non NJ border state.

I bought a shotgun years ago in DE. As I recall, I needed to show my NJ FID to buy it. I'm not sure why DE cares about NJ law but obviously states must care where you are from. What happens when I'm in a state far enough away that they are not familiar with NJ laws? Are they still required to follow NJ law and ask for a NJ FID if I have a NJ drivers license. I'll be traveling this summer and may want to do some shopping when I'm out. I realize hand guns require FFL transfer but I'm wondering about long guns.

Bail it out, print the money to do it, de-value the dollar, start hyper inflation, tank the economy! Lets get on with it. Communism always fails and it will here too - lets get the difficult transition of becoming a constitutional republic (again) out of the way.

I got my FID when I was a college freshmen. That was a looooong time ago so I don't remember what I put on the form but not having a job didn't stop the process. You'll be fine.

May be legal once you're camping but it does not fall into one of the exemptions that would allow you to transport it to the campsite in NJ. Out of state with a ccw - go for it. With a FID, you can transport a shotgun within NJ if you follow the rules- just as good for home defense....er...camper defense.

Not only that, the steering wheel's on the wrong side!

I think the delays come from two places: (1) local barracks doing reference checks and mental history checks and then (2) the black hole in trenton. I've heard of local barracks taking 2 months to do their part. That wasn't my experience. My "sent to Trenton" date was only 2 weeks after I submitted and it still took 4 months. I just applied for a second round of P2Ps. Dropped off the paperwork on a Sunday and my references received calls Monday afternoon. We'll see if anything in trenton is going faster.

I just did mine through the Bridgeton NJSP barracks. I called once a month to follow up and the officer I talked to was always very open about the process. From our many conversations, this is what I believe the process to be: Local barracks checks references by phone and submits the paperwork to some other agency for the mental history check. Once these come back clear, the paperwork goes onto a black hole in Trenton for the criminal background check to be done. It seems like this process takes about 3 months and even the officers at the local barracks aren't sure what happens in this black hole. All they can tell you at this point is that it's waiting in Trenton. He did tell me that there are 8 desks in Trenton that process firearm permits and each desk has a stack of hundreds of applications on it. How fast the permit approved is partially determined by who's desk you end up on. During one of my monthly calls, the trooper asked if he had already told me my permits had been approved. He hadn't. Apparently he somehow received notice that they were approved and was going to call as soon as they were delivered to the local barracks. A trooper drives to Trenton twice a week to to a "mail run" and my permits should have been included but mine never arrived. He called the black hole in Trenton and was able to get my permit delivered the next day - 2 weeks after approval. I don't think the local barracks have any real information on what happens in Trenton and all they can do is wait.

Congratulations on the great exposure. I have a general question about army navy stores if you don't mind my asking. When I was a kid, army navy stores were 100% military surplus. This was just as the Vietnam war was ending and I assumed that all the gear was stuff that had been manufactured for the war but wasn't needed. I would guess that half the stuff in the store was new and half had seen some use but it was all military gear. army navy stores today have much less military gear. I'm just curios if my theory about Vietnam is right or if something else changed with the supply of militarily surplus items. Not a real important question but something I've always wondered every time I've been in an army navy store.

I'm jealous. Good for you. Enjoy being treated like a responsible adult.

I know a couple of officers who were on an entry team where a drug house was raided. Only, it wasn't the right house. Informant got the directions wrong and the detective didn't do his due diligence to follow up on the details. Apparently there is a lot of work involved in verifying an informant's informant before a warrant can be requested. None of that was done. The police raided the house next to the drug house by mistake. Lady was home with her two little kids. She put up a fight, swat team broke her arm. The entry team realized immediately that this isn't a drug house and they're standing around looking at each other wondering what to do now. Detectives were in "oh sh!t" mode - all they could find was insulin syringes in the fridge. Home owner was able to provide her prescription - with her one good arm. Detectives, not willing to admit they made a mistake, charged her with for having the needles for her insulin. Little kids went to DYFS, mom went to jail. There was an undisclosed settlement. Nobody knows the details. The investigation into what went wrong took more than 30 days. Union contract says that any discipline has to be brought within 30 days of the incident. No disciplinary action for the detective that made the mistake. not even a letter in his file. Neither the raid nor the settlement ever made it to the news. Nobody knows what happened except for the officers involved, and the lawyers on both side, and the few of us that have heard the story from those that were there. So how often does this sort of thing happen that we don't hear about it? Who knows but too often.

I was there yesterday. There seemed to be quite a bit of handgun and rifle ammo. But the prices were higher than I'm finding online and the crowds were terrible in the ammo aisle. I was interested in looking at a couple of handguns but didn't feel like taking a number so I skipped it. There were a few dozen Mosin Nagants for $200 each that caught my eye. I passed but may end up going back soon.

I'm not blaming the police, at least not the individual officers. We're mostly to blame for wanting the government to take care of us no matter what the cost. The government will always try to take more and more control of the people. I don't think it's a conspiracy. They (our elected leaders) believe we (the people that elected them) are idiots and dangerous and that we need them to think for us and control us. We have collectively let them do just that. If I was an officer making entry in an unknown situation, I would want the best weapons, best armor, and every technology that would keep me alive. But with that power comes the risk of hurting or killing people unnecessarily and sometimes killing innocent people or the wrong people. The militarization of the police has resulted in the deaths and serious injury to lots of innocent people across the country. Maybe the collateral damage is worth getting these 6 plants out of some guys' basement. It isn't to me.