Mr.Stu

Speaking from a shooting perspective, specifically in IDPA no-light stages, if a shooter accidentally hits the strobe option on their flashlights; it usually means that they will be tanking that stage. That's not to say that there may be some benefit in disorienting someone, but it becomes a hindrance if you actually have to shoot (accurately). This is especially true after a shot it two. You get a lot of the strobe back in your face from the gun smoke. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

My opinion is that 300 lumens is sufficient for inside normal sized houses. The amount you spend and the resultant quality and reliability is entirely up to you. The OP wanted to discuss having a light vs not having a light. Yes, with practice shooting a pistol while holding a flashlight can be learned and can be done well. Can we also agree that holding your panicking kid behind you with one hand while using your handgun and flashlight with only the other hand is impossible? Adopting more modern inventions and techniques that have been developed from real world experience makes sense. Just because something used to be done differently and worked, doesn't mean newer methods don't work better. Sheriff's used to use Colt Peacemakers. They worked. Why use anything else? In the unlikely event that I'm in a fight for my life I want to have as many advantages as possible to improve my chances. A WML makes it easier to see, manipulate things around me and possibly shoot all at the same time than a separate gun and flashlight. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I concede that what you say is true for the person that can commit to that very high level of training. My position is that 200-500 lumens is adequate for the layman and will not be excessively punishing if they make a highly likely error.

I usually agree with your take on these topics, but on this one you are mistaken. If you have a brightly illuminated object close to you and a dimly lit object far away your eye will adjust to the bright, near object and the far object will be much, much harder to see. Not wanting to sidetrack too much, but it is a common misconception that front fog lights or ditch lights help you see better and therefore drive better at night. They don't. You see near things better, but if you turn them off you will see far things much better. Your pupils contract much quicker than they dilate.

In my opinion there is a range that is useful and outside of that it is a hindrance, or potentially so. At least 150 lumens is needed to get a good look at something an average hallway distance away in completely dark ambient. The higher you go the easier it is to see. However, if you come to a corner wall having too bright a light will temporarily blind you with the reflection off the wall before you can really see down the next hallway or into the next room. I haven't done exhaustive testing, but I set my adjustable light to 200 lumens for indoor use. Edited to add: I run a regular monthly IDPA match at an indoor range and we do turn the lights out for some stages. This isn't just theory on my part, I swear!

If you aren't a SWAT Team Member, Active Military, or Mercenary how often have you practiced using a handheld light while shooting?

"Free" is not the same as "without consequences".

If you are going to use deadly force it doesn't matter what job you have. You have to show that there was reason to shoot the shape you saw. Not being supposed to be there is not the same as being an imminent threat to you or anybody else. You will be interrogated. If you cannot describe what you saw that would give a reasonable person cause to believe that there was an imminent threat of death or grievous harm to yourself or another, you are going to have a hard time staying out of jail.

I have a light on my pistol and rifle that is ready for use at home. I have kids, a dog and doors. Illuminating a target and shooting with one hand while I manage other things around me is something I anticipate having to do in an emergency. I also carry a flashlight routinely for when I need to see without pointing a gun. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I have a few of them. The only one that carries a light is the ALS I have mounted on a flex drop adapter attached to my battle belt. It's for my Sig P320 with a TLR-1. The fit and function are great. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I feel silly now. I didn't see the link before. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

What sort of training are you looking for? Handgun, rifle or shotgun? Accuracy, speed, defensive, competition. If competition, what discipline? Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

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I picked it up from the text about fixed magazines on rifles. It doesn't apply to pistols. Sorry. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

A handgun registered as a handgun is not the same as a handgun registered as an assault weapon. They are different registrations. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I don't speak for either organisation so I can't tell you what has been done already. What I do know is in legal battles like this you play your hand as close to your chest as possible and let the timer run as long as possible before showing your next play. There is no gain in filing sooner and lots to gain by letting the 180 days almost run out before stopping the clock. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Not for a long time yet. There is a 180 day grace period built into the bill that starts after the Governor signs it. Before that expires ANJRPC & NRA will have filed a law suit, part of which will be a temporary injunction to block the law until the case is decided. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

If their relationship had deteriorated to the level that they only communicated via lawyers there is obviously a lot of bad feeling and strong emotions. It is conceivable that somebody that upset might try to cause harm to the other, therefore the restraining order and the judge can order seizure of firearms. Did they get TEMPORARY restraining orders or FINAL restraining orders? There is a huge difference to how your rights are restricted. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I think you are still thinking that getting a Final Restraining Order is just a matter of filling in a form. It's not. A TRO is very simple, but that requires a court hearing within 2 weeks, no ifs or buts. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I think we do agree, but from different perspectives. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

I don't think restraining orders have no place, but it is a very one sided tool. Making any other false report to the police is a crime and people do get prosecuted. How come that doesn't deter other real victims but for a TRO it does? The lesson we learn from Carol Bowne is not that taking guns away from the bad guy works. It's keeping guns from the victim didn't work. IIRC she was stabbed, not shot. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

The theory is that it's an emergency so they have to come and get the guns before telling you that there has been a complaint otherwise you might hide them or worse, use them to retaliate against the accuser. The theory then goes that because you get your day in court you still get your due process before it becomes permanent. In practice, nobody is ever held to account for making false allegations because 'it might deter a real victim coming forward later.' That's the really unfair part. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Filing a temporary restraining order is a common tactic in divorce proceedings - usually the wife against the husband. I know of a female divorcee who's attorney was annoyed that she wouldn't file one. When I got mine the police came as soon as they were free - 01:30 Saturday morning - to serve me the TRO and part of it was an order to sieze all my guns and my FPIC. Fortunately I has an idea it was coming so had 'sold' all my guns to FSS and they left with only my FPIC. A week later I had my chance to give my side of the story in court. I didn't in the end because we made an agreement and she dropped the complaint. I took another 2 months to get my FPIC back which had to be approved by the county prosecutor and signed off by a judge. If we'd battled it out in court it's possible that I would have wound up with a permanent restraining order which would have been reported to NICS and that would be the end to passing background checks. As a side note, the NJSP troopers who served the TRO thanked me for getting rid of my guns - they didn't want to deal with them - and they apologized before they left. They knew the TRO was BS but couldn't say as much in uniform. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Maybe a dumb question, but did the replacement hubs have a tone ring? Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

It's true. I sold the rifles and shotguns I was allowed to keep when the paperwork became too onerous to keep up with. The guns we still legal and I could have kept them if I'd kept up with the paperwork. I just got worn down by the whole thing. It's not going to happen again. ETA: This was before I left the UK. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk