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  1. Under NJ statutes it is a temporary transfer and there are restrictions on where it may be done. Does it happen all the time in the privacy of people's homes? Sure, but the OP was asking about legality. 2C:58-3.1. Temporary transfer of firearms 1. a. Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:39-9, N.J.S.2C:58-2, N.J.S.2C:58-3 or any other statute to the contrary concerning the transfer or disposition of firearms, the legal owner, or a dealer licensed under N.J.S.2C:58-2, may temporarily transfer a handgun, rifle or shotgun to another person who is 18 years of age or older, whether or not the person receiving the firearm holds a firearms purchaser identification card or a permit to carry a handgun. The person to whom a handgun, rifle or shotgun is temporarily transferred by the legal owner of the firearm or a licensed dealer may receive, possess, carry and use that handgun, rifle or shotgun, if the transfer is made upon a firing range operated by a licensed dealer, by a law enforcement agency, a legally recognized military organization or a rifle or pistol club which has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits to the superintendent a list of its members and if the firearm is received, possessed, carried and used for the sole purpose of target practice, trap or skeet shooting, or competition upon that firing range or instruction and training at any location. A transfer under this subsection shall be for not more than eight consecutive hours in any 24-hour period and may be made for a set fee or an hourly charge. The firearm shall be handled and used by the person to whom it is temporarily transferred only in the actual presence or under the direct supervision of the legal owner of the firearm, the dealer who transferred the firearm or any other person competent to supervise the handling and use of firearms and authorized to act for that purpose by the legal owner or licensed dealer. The legal owner of the firearm or the licensed dealer shall be on the premises or the property of the firing range during the entire time that the firearm is in the possession of the person to whom it is temporarily transferred. The term "legal owner" as used in this subsection means a natural person and does not include an organization, commercial enterprise, or a licensed manufacturer, wholesaler or dealer of firearms. b. Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:39-9, N.J.S.2C:58-2, N.J.S.2C:58-3 or any other statute to the contrary concerning the transfer and disposition of firearms, a legal owner of a shotgun or a rifle may temporarily transfer that firearm to another person who is 18 years of age or older, whether or not the person receiving the firearm holds a firearms purchaser identification card. The person to whom a shotgun or rifle is temporarily transferred by the legal owner may receive, possess, carry and use that shotgun or rifle in the woods or fields or upon the waters of this State for the purposes of hunting if the transfer is made in the woods or fields or upon the waters of this State, the shotgun or rifle is legal and appropriate for hunting and the person to whom the firearm is temporarily transferred possesses a valid license to hunt with a firearm, and a valid rifle permit if the firearm is a rifle, obtained in accordance with the provisions of chapter 3 of Title 23 of the Revised Statutes. The transfer of a firearm under this subsection shall be for not more than eight consecutive hours in any 24-hour period and no fee shall be charged for the transfer. The legal owner of the firearm which is temporarily transferred shall remain in the actual presence or in the vicinity of the person to whom it was transferred during the entire time that the firearm is in that person's possession. The term "legal owner" as used in this subsection means a natural person and does not include an organization, commercial enterprise, or a licensed manufacturer, wholesaler or dealer of firearms. c. No firearm shall be temporarily transferred or received under the provisions of subsections a. or b. of this section for the purposes described in section 1 of P.L.1983, c.229 (C.2C:39-14). d. An owner or dealer shall not transfer a firearm to any person pursuant to the provisions of this section if the owner or dealer knows the person does not meet the qualifications set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3 for obtaining or holding a firearms purchaser identification card or a handgun purchase permit. A person shall not receive, possess, carry or use a firearm pursuant to the provisions of this section if the person knows he does not meet the qualifications set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3 for obtaining or holding a firearms purchaser identification card or a handgun purchase permit.
  2. I am not a lawyer and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. This is my answer... Any of them. In exigent circumstances the rules change. If there was no emergency you cannot legally give the handgun to any of the other adults because unless you are a qualified instructor you cannot legally do even a temporary transfer in your home. There are specific categories of locations where you can do a temporary transfer. As all the people are adults there is no requirement to have the pistol locked up. If there were minors present then the law requires that the loaded pistol cannot be access by the minor. In the event of a sudden, violent attack in your home any of you can use whatever implement as a weapon to defend yourselves. If the pistol is available why wouldn't you pick that over say, a rolling pin? NB. You still need to satisfy the 5 elements needed to justify using deadly force in self defense.
  3. If it worked correctly, it isn't hollow any more either.
  4. Only if you have a manifestly appropriate lawful use for it at the time. Self defense is not deemed a lawful use in NJ.
  5. It allows you to carry unloaded rifles and shotguns. Don't forget a non-NFA 'Other' is neither a rifle nor a shotgun.
  6. It attaches conditions to possession when you are not in an exempt location such as your home. You surely do not think you need to be actively doing one of these things while possessing hollowpoints at home? Please! Efficiency has little to do with it. Overpenetration is a serious consideration, especially with 9mm ball ammo. Therefore, potentially yes, there is more of a risk of damage done to anybody the bullet hits after it exits the intended target - bear in mind the trajectory will probably change while it is in that target so it's not just anybody directly behind the bad guy. Notwithstanding, we operate under too many illogical and draconian rules in NJ already. We do not need anybody imagining new ones and spreading them around as if they were true. I would still really like to know where this idea originated. It is not in the statutes. It is not in the Admin Code. It is not in the briefing Juries are given in self defense cases. If the only identified source is what some guy who passed the (frankly ridiculously easy) NRA Instructors class once said, it has to be classified as uncorroborated rumor at best. I prefer to do a bit of research rather than believe every word I hear from some guy at the range, or a cop, or the guy behind the counter at the gun store, etc.
  7. And again, this talks ONLY about possession. The second part which refers to N.J.S.A. 2C:39-6f extends the exception to the prohibition of possession of hollowpoints beyond your property when taking part in the listed activities. Show me where it says anything about what you can or cannot use for self defense if lethal force is justified.
  8. ^^^^This all day long and twice on Sunday How shameful would you feel if you or someone you love were the victim of an ND and you hadn't done anything to prevent it because it was someone else's job?
  9. You still haven't said where you got the information that using hollowpoints for self defense was even in doubt. Admittedly, you can't get any more vague than not saying anything at all.
  10. That addresses possession. It says nothing at all about use, whether defensively or otherwise.
  11. Can you point to anything that actually says this? NJ's self defense statutes differentiate between lethal force and non-lethal force. They do not make any distinctions within the set of lethal force.
  12. Surely you realize that pretty much everything you mention happens after the bullet leaves the muzzle and you no longer have any control over where it goes? A new shooter isn't (at least really shouldn't) be attempting rapid fire where recoil mitigation is needed for subsequent shots.
  13. This is the answer. Get a spring powered BB or pellet gun. The lock time and mechanics of one of these will drive home every fundamental in the book including follow through. The ammo is even cheaper than .22lr too!
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