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About Pizza Bob

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  • Birthday 03/23/1951

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    Central/West NJ - Mercer County
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    Cars, pool, Southwestern pottery
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    EFGA or wherever someone will guest me in

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  1. Call me tin-foil hat paranoid, but we need to stop this right now. Do you now how this looks, or how it will be interpreted by somebody like a member of "Moms Demand Action?" They'll say that we are helping/encouraging convicted felons to obtain guns. If the OP is not smart enough to contact a lawyer (and given the grammar and syntax of the post that may be) then i for one really could forego him joining the firearms community. Adios, Pizza Bob
  2. Without his FPID he will be restricted to going or coming directly between the range and home. With it he could ride around with a rifle in his trunk. Adios, Pizza Bob
  3. No is a qualified answer... N.J. Stat. Ann. § 2C:1-4 - No permit to purchase a handgun or FPIC shall be issued to any person who: Has been “convicted of any crime” (under New Jersey law, a crime is an offense “for which a sentence of imprisonment in excess of 6 months is authorized);” Save your money.
  4. He says from his home in Pennsylvania.
  5. I’m sure that most of you have shooting buddies. People in the firearms community with common interests with whom you can freely talk about guns, gear and whatever trips your trigger. Leo was that person for me. I’ve known Leo for 47 years. We met, as one would expect, at a turkey shoot in Harvey’s Lake, PA. He was as enamored with S&W then as I am now. He was my teacher, whom I eventually eclipsed and became his teacher. That was only because Leo was somewhat of a luddite and never explored, or even knew how to explore, the Internet. It was a knowledge base that he denied to himself. That only slowed him down slightly as I helped bird dog for him and arrange for some primo S&W purchases. Always fun spending OPM. When I met Leo, he was a SS Disability Claims Examiner. Was married and owned his own home. Over time he confided in me that the two things that he wanted most in his life were to join the military (he had an appointment to West Point, but couldn’t pass the physical because he was color blind), and to become a nurse. This came about because of a teenage job as an orderly at the local veteran’s hospital. Also, when I met him, he was about as tall as he was wide. He was one of the most single minded of purpose people I’ll ever know. After I moved to NJ (with my future ex-wife) we kept in touch by phone, but hadn’t visited in some time. He started to fulfill his life’s ambitions by getting his Associates Degree in nursing and passing his boards to become an RN. Then one day I got a call from him in which he imparted that he had divorced his wife, sold his house and joined the navy. He made the age deadline by two months – probably the oldest ensign in the navy. I queried him about his weight – he told me he had dropped 90 pounds. When asked how, he said a lot of salad and a lot of Nautilus. He became a navy nurse. He intended to be a lifer. His first duty station was Camp Lejeune and he spent, I believe, six years there. It was during this time that it was later revealed, the water was contaminated by all sorts of nasty things – benzene to name but one. This wasn’t discovered until years after his tenure there and the military gave those stationed there special dispensation when it came to future medical problems. From Lejeune he was stationed in Guam. He once wrote to me and told me that he finally had figured out what Guam stood for: Give Up And Masturbate. I think that, as with many in the medical field, Leo was a bit of a hypochondriac. He was constantly having himself checked for this or that malady – including several trips back from Guam to Bethesda. I always say, that if you give doctors enough opportunity, they’ll eventually find something. Such was the case with my pal Leo. After eleven years in the navy, he was diagnosed with MS. He got a medical discharge, which eventually rose to 100% disability. Still didn’t slow him down too much – just changed calibers, from the big bores to .32 S&W Long. Bought a house out in the country and became somewhat of a hermit. He eschewed TV and the movies but was a voracious reader – amassing over 3000 books in his small house. Most rooms in the house were floor to ceiling book shelves – except for his reloading room, which was floor to ceiling components, loaded ammo and about five presses – so he kept busy and had a few close friends that kept an eye on him. He used to drive down to visit my SO and me and stay for several days at a time. We would do the rounds of the LGS’s. He was especially fond of our dog Maggie. Over the last seven or eight months, he grew increasingly hard to contact. I’d call and get his voice mail, leave a message that was seldom returned. Finally, there were no return calls at all. This sent me to the Internet to check the obituaries, as I feared the worst. No obit to be found. In my last visit to him, he had showed me a Trijicon RX30 red dot sight and offered it to me at a great price. I came home and thought about for a while and decided to buy it from him. I sent him a check. It was after this that he dropped from sight. One day I get a text from an unknown person. They told me that Leo was in the hospital and had instructed this person to send me the sight. I knew the name and had maybe met him once, but this guy turned out to be a saint. He found Leo sitting in the dark at his house. The electricity had been turned off because he hadn’t paid the bill. There was no telling how long he had been sitting there, but the food in the refrigerator had spoiled, so it was at least a couple days. Money wasn’t really the problem – although it was later found out that an unscrupulous care giver and a waitress at a restaurant he frequented, had taken him for several thousand dollars with their tales of woe. End game was that Leo became less and less lucid and even became combative. He was eventually 302’d and that was extended several times. He was diagnosed with dementia. It took them a while to sort out his meds (not sure they really have) and he is now living in a veteran’s home in Scranton, PA. I found all this out after another flurry of trying to track him down and/or see if he had died. I finally got hold of the fellow that mailed my sight (Scott). Scott related this whole sad story to me. He had been taking care of Leo all these months. Had gotten power of attorney and straightened out his finances. Helped him (he has periods of lucidity) liquidate his considerable firearms collection (at one point he had over 70 N-frame Smiths alone), go through the commitment process and eventually get him admitted to the veteran’s home. Looking back over what I have written, I noticed that I keep referring to him in the past tense. Make no mistake, he is still alive. I actually spoke to him today – which was the impetus for this lengthy post. He is not the Leo that I once knew, with whom I shared shooting experiences and discussed the pros and cons of one caliber over another, or the benefits of a particular Smith & Wesson and whether or not it was worth the asking price. I don’t know if it was the meds they have him on or just his condition, given the dementia, but it was just sad. I’m glad that he is being taken care of, in what Scott describes as a wonderful facility. But I have to wonder if it is all worth it. If Leo were cognizant of his condition, and still in possession of some of his prized S&W’s, I’m not sure that this wouldn’t have ended another way – and the sad part about that, is that I’m not sure that would have been a bad thing. I miss my buddy. If you have stuck with this, this long, thanks for reading this. I have to go, my keyboard seems to be leaking. Adios, Pizza Bob
  6. It's not a matter of "like", it's a matter of value. When I can get an equal quality clip at a dollar savings per unit, why wouldn't I avail myself of it? I'm surprised that Tom is letting S&W undersell him by that much on his product (he gets $2.50 per). Maybe since he has, once again, become a full custom shop, he isn't interested in selling the nickel dime stuff direct anymore. From what I gather, there are only four producers of moon clips - many sellers, but only four actual manufacturers. 1) TK Custom 2) Ranch Products 3) Revolver Supply (I believe that he is having them made, but they are proprietary) 4) David Hearth There are probably some coming in from China, at least for .45 ACP, and that's what you'll get buying them off eBay or GB. If the clips are die cut they will be considerably less expensive. If they are EDM (electro discharge machining) cut, you can expect to pay $5 - $8 per clip. For rimless cartridges the extractor groove dimensions are SAAMI specified, which is why you can usually use a variety of brass in the same clip and have it work well. For rimmed cartridges there is no SAAMI spec for the groove ahead of the rim. In some rimmed cartridges there isn't even a groove. These clips have to be more precise and usually are one or two headstamp specific. Ranch Products used to be the OEM supplier of clips to S&W. I imagine as they got deeper into moon clip guns they needed access to EDM cut clips and it didn't make sense to have multiple suppliers and since TK does both die stamp and EDM, he got the business. Although I believe that Smith is sourcing the 8-shot .38 Super clips from Hearth. AFAIK, Ranch only makes die stamped. Of course there is the snob appeal of having those little initials stamped in every clip. That's not worth a dollar to me. Adios, Pizza Bob
  7. They are probably buying their clips from Ranch @ $.38 ea. and making a dollar on every one that you buy. Yes I am!!! And quite happy to stay that way.
  8. You could save about $6+ per clip for your 1917 by using Ranch Products clips. Last I checked they were $40 per 100 - a lifetime supply. I have never had a problem with Ranch Products .45 ACP clips. With calibers that don't start with a "4" you need a clip that holds the rounds rigidly and that is where you end up paying $6 - $7 per clip. For the .45 and pretty much the .40, a little cartridge jiggle is a good thing - helps the rounds self-align. The cost of the clip is indirectly proportional to the length of time until a RO steps on it - the more expensive the shorter the time period. Adios, Pizza Bob
  9. I'll let you know. Spoke with a friend shooting one in IDPA. He told me that he had not had one light strike - and of course at that match he did. He was using expensive TK moons and TK said that they had some reports of light strikes. Their clips are .040" and they were talking about increasing them to .050". When I get set-up, I'll be using the inexpensive clips from Ranch Products that I already have on hand for my S&W 646. The people that I've heard from have not had any problem with Ranch clips - we'll see. My gunsmith is still working on the right spring combination and polishing to give 100% reliability. Like any new venture, you learn as you go. Adios, Pizza Bob
  10. That's me, Pizza Bob the Enabler. LOL. Thanks for the kind words.
  11. Don't get me wrong, I pretty much like any Big Bore revolver and I have as many .45 caliber revolvers as I do .44's (not counting magnums) - all the .45s are Smiths, while the .44's are Smiths , a Ruger and a couple Charter Arms. You really can't fall in love with the Special unless you hand load. The anemic factory loading (246 gr LRN @ 750 fps) is a carry over from the black powder days. My conversion gun has seen thousands of rounds of 250 gr LSWC over 7.5 grs of Unique (900+ fps). There are some hotter self defense loadings these days. The .45 ACP has always been a smokeless loading. Given that I compete with a model 625-8 PC, I'm sure that I have put many more rounds down range in that caliber than with the .44 Spl - doesn't mean I love it any less. As for finishes - as I said in my OP, it was divisive in the gun community = people either loved it or hated it. Adios, Pizza Bob
  12. I have these coming for it...
  13. In 1973 I decided, after much study and rumination, that my first S&W had to be a .44 Special. While at the time everyone was coveting the model 29, .44 Magnum (remember this was post-“Dirty Harry”), I wanted a .44 Special. I told my shooting buddy that I wanted a S&W model 24 and he laughed at me. He said that it had been discontinued in 1967, and even if I could find one, I probably would not be able to afford it. That same friend, from whom I learned much of my S&W knowledge, later came to me and told me that J&G Rifle Ranch (an entity that still exists today) was selling original model 24 six and a half inch barrels. I bought one and salted it away. I was a great fan of the late Skeeter Skelton at that time. He was a gun writer for Shooting Times magazine and a great proponent of the .44 Special. He constantly lobbied S&W to bring back the model 24. While he was eventually successful (S&W reintroduced the model 24 in 1983 and later, in 1985, the stainless version model 624) I couldn’t wait. I guess I wasn’t alone in wanting one because a mini-industry, converting various S&W models to .44 Special, sprang up. I already had a leg up, in that I possessed an original barrel, I just needed a gun to convert. I found a gently used four inch model 28 at a LGS and purchased it for $125. Now I just needed a gunsmith to do the conversion. Skeeter recommended Miniature Machine Company of Deming, NM. Skeeter carried a lot of weight in the gun community, because when I contacted them about doing the conversion, I was put on a wait list – how long? Approximately a year. Sigh. Very shortly thereafter, I read an article in another gun magazine about a gunsmith in CA that was doing this conversion. I contacted him right away, liked what he said and gave him the job. My 28 and the 24 barrel got shipped off to George Matthews in Downey, CA. He bored and recessed the cylinder as well as making sure that it was square to the forcing cone. Installed the barrel and changed the Patridge front sight to a Baughman ramp with a gold insert. The beauty of using the original model 24 barrel was, not only did it have the correct roll marks, but it was satin finished, just like the model 28. I didn’t even need to have the gun refinished. My buddy and I went a little further when I got it back. We installed a smooth combat trigger – common today, but not so much in the early 70’s. We also installed a SAO model 14 rebound spring – again, entities like Wolff, Wilson or Miculek weren’t offering spring kits so this was the hot set-up to help reduce trigger pull. Sometime in the mid-80’s, as my eyes deteriorated, I installed a red dot optic using a B-Square, “no-drill” mount. It was a Tasco ProPoint and was huge. This was when Tasco optics were sourced from Japan and of good quality. It still resides atop that gun today. My converted model 28 is the most accurate of all the Smiths I own. Aside from the .44 Special being an inherently accurate cartridge, the work that George Matthews did, all contribute to its accuracy. Many turkeys and hams were won with that gun. Here is that gun… This is all back story to establish how much I love the .44 Special. Over the intervening years, since my conversion came into being, I have managed to accumulate a few more .44 Special revolvers. Not all of them S&W’s, but most are. I tell you all this to introduce you to what will be the pinnacle of my small .44 Special collection. I related the story of my encounter with all of the Heritage Guild stores in another thread – while that ended in disappointment, it primed my pump for a new addition to the safe. Saturday night I spent several hours combing 52 pages of S&W revolvers on a classified ad website for guns. Only one spoke to me. In 2001 S&W introduced a series of revolvers called the Heritage Series. This offering was in collaboration with the S&W Performance Center and Lew Horton Distributors. These were not exact copies of older guns (30’s and 40’s) but rather paid homage to them. They were a very divisive offering. It seemed the gun community either hated them or loved them – I fell into the second camp. This series of guns were available in several finishes, depending on the model. There was a blued finish as well as a nickel finish, but the most desired finish was a color case hardened frame done by the master, Doug Turnbull, himself. These frames were paired with a blue cylinder and barrel. It was this variation of a model 24-5, that I came across in those listings. A couple of negotiating e-mails later, and the gun, number 25 of 327, was mine. I just sent off the funds this morning. Here is what I am getting… Now the hard part, the waiting. I have two guns at my dealer right now. I’m waiting for my OGAM exemption to come from the NJSP. Since the exemption purchase is outside of the OGAM framework, I’ll be able to purchase the 24-5 separately regardless of the time interval. I hope to bring all three home at once. Adios, Pizza Bob
  14. Come on Maks, does Macy's tell Bloomingdales?
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