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Albert, How do you donate? Is po6 setup for checks?

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The "exemption" exempts you from all of the laws, including the one that reads possesion of a handgun without first obtaining a license to carry is a crime. Exempt is exempt.

Everyone posting is telling the OP that he can not. They are quoting the "illegal transfer of firearms" rule. I do not agree. I think the wife can take the gun to the range. If the traveling to the range is an "exempted" activity, then all of the rules about firearms, including temporary transfers, should not apply. The only caveat is that the users of the guns must live in the same house because the exemption reads, " from place of residence to range" So..... a husband and wife residing in the same place of residence should be able to enjoy the exemption. A father and son, or daughter residing in the same residence should be able to enjoy the exemption. Two roomates, residing in the same residence should be able to enjoy the exemption. A friend who lives down the street can NOT swing by your place and borrow your gun to go to range. He can not enjoy the exemption because he would not be going "directly from his place of residence to the range" Without the protection of the "exemption" he now violates the illegal temporary transfer rule. thoughts??

Newtonion looking one just like that!

Speedqueen. Top load, three knobs, old school (founded 1928) and still made in the US of A

How about your rifle on or by your front seat? or even better, how about on one of those dashboard type locks you see for rifles in police cars? They are activated electronically somehow. While not as good as a concealled carry pistol license, I think a marlin or winchester lever action 1894 type with ten rounds of 30 30 on your belt pouch or pocket is a good use of our fpid cards I think the 1894 lever action is better than an AR type platform or shotgun for our NJ damned situation. The lever action loads bullets one at a time on the side, so we can load it fairly easily if lives are on the line. You can also leave your vehicle with the gun locked in it, and your loose bullets on your person, thus keeping the ammo away from the gun. An AR type can only be loaded by inserting a full magazine. Keeping a full magazine on your person is not as practical as keeping loose 30 30 ammo. Shotgun shells are too large to keep on your person compared to a carbine caliber like 30 30 So I take it this is allowed for fpid card holders? I can keep my Marlin 336 lever action, unloaded, butt on my floorboard, barrell locked to my dashboard in upright position using the electronic police dashboard lock, and keep 10 rounds of 30 30 ammo on my belt pouch at the ready if the need should arise???? This is a very good thread.

Good point, didnt see post counts on iphone. lol! DT, hope for a quick turnaround with the new phone #'s submitted.

I call BS on this even being a real post

well, there goes two minutes i'll never get back

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity

You only need a certified copy(pink) of your p2p to buy ammo.

I think that after the 60 days you pick up your carry permit. The P2P's are supposed to be issued within 30 days with no mention in the statue what happens after 30 days. The permit to carry is very specific in point of law. It reads if not denied within 60 days of filing, it is approved.

mipafox, what do you mean?

If believe if you are not denied by March 23rd, then you are approved by default. Check into that.

here it is, i was close http://vacustack.com

i know what you need, its called a vornado cap or something, i have the same problem.

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hey, how did you get that ? I edited it out, lol I edited it because after re-reading, I have had a change of mind. I think the original 39-5 "E" exemption stands as written. I also think the 58, written later, does not apply or trump 39-5 in any way. Here is why: 2C:58-3.1. Temporary transfer of firearms 1. a. Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:39-9, N.J.S.2C:58-2, N.J.S.2C:58- 3 or any other statute to the contrary concerning the transfer or disposition of firearms, the legal owner, or a dealer licensed under N.J.S.2C:58-2, It addresses, and more importantly the first word, "Notwithstanding" applies to and only specifically 39-9, 58-3 only. There is no mention of 39-5 anywhere, hence the original 39-5 stands and is unchanged or challenged in an way by the new 58. I would say again, I do not see the boy going to the range with the fathers gun as a transfer, temporary or otherwise. When a son takes dad's car to the movies and brings it home when done, that is not a transfer either.

The rule: 2C:39-5. Unlawful possession of weapons 2C:39-5. b. Handguns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any handgun, including any antique handgun without first having obtained a permit to carry the same as provided in N.J.S. 2C:58-4, is guilty of a crime of the third degree. c. Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S. 2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree. d. Other weapons. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any other weapon under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for such lawful uses as it may have is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. The exemptions: e. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S. 2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent a person keeping or carrying about his place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, any firearm, or from carrying the same, in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section, from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair. For the purposes of this section, a place of business shall be deemed to be a fixed location. f. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S. 2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent: (1)A member of any rifle or pistol club organized in accordance with the rules prescribed by the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice, in going to or from a place of target practice, carrying such firearms as are necessary for said target practice, provided that the club has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent and provided further that the firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section; (2)A person carrying a firearm or knife in the woods or fields or upon the waters of this State for the purpose of hunting, target practice or fishing, provided that the firearm or knife is legal and appropriate for hunting or fishing purposes in this State and he has in his possession a valid hunting license, or, with respect to fresh water fishing, a valid fishing license; (3)A person transporting any firearm or knife while traveling: (a)Directly to or from any place for the purpose of hunting or fishing, provided the person has in his possession a valid hunting or fishing license; or (b)Directly to or from any target range, or other authorized place for the purpose of practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions, provided in all cases that during the course of the travel all firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section and the person has complied with all the provisions and requirements of Title 23 of the Revised Statutes and any amendments thereto and all rules and regulations promulgated thereunder; or I am not sure if you can or not, it is certainly open for interpretation. What if it is a gun that is kept in the safe at home and any legal, of age, not prohibited person family member can use it for one of the legal exemptions listed above without asking permission from any other family member. To further my argument that the op's son may be able to bring gun to the range, they reference the word "any" gun in subsection E in the above exemption. They could have said firearm owned by him, but did not. They certainly spoke about the "land" being owned by him, so they did indeed take into account ownership thoughts, just not in regards to the firearm. I would argue that the family member taking the gun to the range is not a transfer, and thus, does not fall under the transfer rules and laws; section E in the exemption clearly reads any firearm. Thoughts??

This: It is unlawful to knowingly have in your possession a: 1. Handgun, including any antique handgun, without first obtaining a Permit to Carry. No distinction is drawn between carrying openly or concealed. 2. Rifle or shotgun without first obtaining a FID card. It is Illegal to carry a loaded shotgun or rifle in any vehicle e. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent a person keeping or carrying about his place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, any firearm, or from carrying the same, in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section, from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair. For the purposes of this section, a place of business shall be deemed to be a fixed location.

just found it, pretty in depth link, thanks vlad "It is unlawful to sell, give, transfer, assign, or otherwise dispose of, or receive, purchase, or otherwise acquire a handgun unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver, or holder is licensed as a dealer under New Jersey law or has first secured a Permit to Purchase a handgun." its just that i remember reading something that made me think this didnt apply to the op's question.