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What do you want to know? Multiple versions are for sale at dealers in NJ. These are becoming big hits in other states with laws similar to ours as well. SOLGW has had their version out since May

Right. I assumed thats why you had it pinned. Looks great!

Nice. Is that a 10.5" barrel?

If I went to court, I would argue the AWB doesn’t apply to bolt guns. My adjustable stock was legally assembled on a rifle that allows an adjustable stock and that’s where it has stayed. Whether it’s 20 sec by hand or 2 min with an Allen key, we don’t actually know if that matters or not to a jury. In the grand scheme of things, what’s 15 min with a common wrench and screw driver? Depending on how you frame it, everything is readily assembled since we have nothing to further define it. Are we now trying to expand the reach of the AWB here? That seems to be where we are going. NJSP specifically called out people falling into a trap and building a SBR by accident if not following their guidelines exactly. If they took the time to mention that, would it also not seem reasonable they make a statement of “if you own any other AR platform in addition to this weapon, you will be breaking the law” ? I understand what and why are you doing this. No one wants to be caught with their pants down but I think you are searching for an answer that doesn’t exist because no one has ever faced this charge before, for a reason.

Would having a folding/collapsible stock on a bolt gun under the same roof as an AR be breaking the law? The precision shooters on this forum might have some problems if that’s the case.

But they aren’t parts anymore. It’s an assembled, legal firearm, alongside other complete, legal firearms. Owning one doesn’t suddenly make the other illegal unless you start disassembling them and then you do have a collection of parts to assemble an illegal weapon. A bit of a logic test based on your reading of the law- Assuming you had no other rifles, wouldn’t owning one of these non-NFA firearms in of itself break the law? A simple twist of a screw driver removes the VFG and now you have an “assault rifle”. If a simple screw can keep this weapon legal, why wouldn’t takedown pins separating two different weapons be enough to keep both legal?

Totally agree, especially in a state like NJ. Just seems like we’ve gone well beyond what is necessary. I feel like we aren’t far from the legality of owning a hack saw and a rifle at the same time.

you aren’t intending to build an assault weapon. You have the other required parts available to build a perfectly legal firearm.

If the laws were read that way, wouldn’t every single person who owns an AR pistol and a regular AR be guilty as it easily could be converted to an SBR? Its like people want to be found guilty of something at this point. Build/buy your non-NFA firearm, shoot and be happy

Sons of Liberty Gunworks is also making them. Price is on the higher side but, you can get some awesome parts https://sonsoflibertygw.com/solgw-occupied-zone-other-firearm-customizable/

The past few posts .. Granted we can disagree with whether or not it was smart to contact NJSP, the guy gave us the favorable answer that we all knew to be true. Green light to build, buy current and future non-NFA guns as long as they meet the guidelines laid out in the original approval letter. Showing them off here or on facebook is the same as showing off any other gun on social media ( I see both sides of that argument). But to think that suddenly opening a thread on here will open us up to legal changes as compared to any other thread is a little ridiculous. Politicians are always looking for ways to reinterpret or change the AWB. Might as well as shut down this whole forum as a major part of it is showing and advising people on how to legal build/buy firearms that they dont want us to have in the 1st place

Green light!

I think PK is referring to the stupidity of the NJSP to try and restrict this more than us trying to acquire one

Neither do I. The letter outlined why these guns passed their test so it shouldn’t be scary to build the same thing yourself. It’s like asking if some new company on the block started producing AR15s and everyone needs to check if they are legal to own. Well, do they fall within current laws? Yep? Coo, go ahead and get it. I’ve started picking out parts. I was originally going to snag one of the upper kits from PSA but I’ve already gotten to the point of wanting to swap so many things out, I might as well start from scratch. The one thing I can’t remember since I’m crossed between 3 different threads on this topic. Folding braces- extended or collapsed for measuring OAL?

Correct. I deleted my post comment. I was reading about a case in CT where the ATF raided a FFL because that field office decided to measure from the hinge and the weapons were falling under the 26" OAL. Turns out, the shop was converting "pistols" to "firearms" by adding a VFG but in the process was creating AOW and circumventing the NFA rules. Or at least that was the jist I got.

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Bingo. All the more reason to build yourself. No way to track what receivers are built into a rifle vs firearm without going door to door

do you have anything else from the statement besides a single line?

That looks fun. Autobahn is def a bucket list item for me. About 10 years years ago, going to a car show in Glen Cove, NY, a group of us (mostly M3s and 335s) were blasting up the NJ turnpike at 130+ at 6am. It was completely empty except for us. I may or may not have hit the 155 limiter at one point . Made it from Richard Stockton rest stop to the GW bridge in 30 min... I was in the back just trying to keep up in my E39 and around every bend I was waiting for a line of cop cars to be blocking the highway and arrest all of us. A porsche cayenne was with us and had a go pro mounted to his hood and filmed the whole thing. Wish I had met him to get a copy. Really hoping its destroyed now lol

Yea I really hope people here aren’t emailing the AG or NJSP all the time about this. Figure maybe a handful (relative to the gun owner population in NJ) actually know this “loophole” exists. Just buy or build your firearm and go about your business. The more attention that gets drawn to this, the quicker someone will act to close it.

I feel like this thread needs to close, and then Jack or PK90 start a new, closed, thread. All it has is the letter from NJSP and the 3 or 4 points of what this non-NFA firearm needs to consist of to be legal in NJ. Thats it. People can take it for what they want.

I feel like this thread has gone full circle and its about to go around again since some people arent reading the full thread.

Looks awesome. Whats the OAL? How do you like the holosun? Is that the 510?

Not a lawyer so here is my non-lawyer advice. I thought the law is actually "constructive possession" not intent. Constructive possession is parts able to be assembled in an ILLEGAL configuration WITHOUT the ability to assemble them in a LEGAL configuration. So if you have a couple ARs and a spare 11.5" upper laying around, you just broke the law because it can be assembled into a SBR. You have no legal way of putting that 11.5" upper on anything and making a legal rifle. To get around that, buy a new receiver and put a brace on it 1st before you buy the upper receiver. A receiver with a brace is completely legal buy itself. Then when the short upper comes it, it has a legal way of becoming a firearm. It doesnt matter if you can swap upper between 2 rifles. You have a legal way of possessing both so you should be fine. I have a collapsable stock on a bolt action gun that can fit onto one of my ARs but there is no contructive possesion there. Or just keep your mouth shut and give the police no reason to be searching your house/apt Edit: It also seems to be an add on charge. So unless you are doing something else to warrant police attention, its HIGHLY unlikely anything would ever happen. I can guarentee you there are people on this board with unfinished, unwelded 14.5 uppers laying aorund

this is what i was getting at earlier. receivers transform into whatever we want and then have to follow any applicable rules associated with that. ive seen nothing that suddenly prevent a receiver from being turned into a firearm. Assuming the NJSP just didnt have a brain fart and spoke out of place, I think what @ChrisJM981 said just above is the real answer.