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Just a 'coincidence' that this 'story' happens to just come out right around this other story about gun sales going through the roof during Christmas? http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/27/us/record-gun-sales/ Yup,...just a 'coincidence'....that's all...

Because I can.

Usually they (the media) put these things up when there is bill to be voted on, bill signed into law or to promote a certain politician. I glossed over the article, I see that they concentrated on North Carolina. Note that usually when these types of anti gun articles comes up, the Southern States seems to be singled out...as in this example. I never see Vermont mentioned in anti gun articles. Probably because it is a liberal state and people could carry concealed or open without a permit. The NYT would have a hard time trying to explain that to its readers.

I don't put any stickers on my vehicles, or wear NRA hats...but I fully support anyone who does. In addition to NRA stickers seen out and about, there are other pro gun stickers ("Live Free or Die" and "From My Cold Dead Hands"..seem popular as well). There seems to be a good amount of Pro Life bumper stickers as well. Most people I know have at least a shotgun and or a pistol,some might have more than that I guess.... I guess here in Kentucky a shotgun is no more looked at differently than a hammer, saw or shovel. I would assume most people have at least a shotgun. If talk of guns comes up amongst friends, family or co workers, usually it is about hunting or some new item they bought or are selling ... Like the women talk about cooking or crafts, the men talk about guns and sports..its a given.

Like Florida, KY allows other weapons like knives with the CCDW permit. I still haven't obtained the permit yet...

Isn't the orange tip requirement a federal requirement? I have seen toy guns and Airsoft here in KY with the orange tips.

Are toy cap guns banned in NJ?

CBS 2 out of New York has video coverage of it http://newyork.cbslocal.com/video/6565327-breaking-news-small-plane-crash-in-new-jersey/ Look for the video of it from the page...

The ATF can inspect you once a year, although that is far and few between with an C&R. Some have stated that they have been licensed for decades and have never been inspected. If they do inspect, generally in most cases they just want to see your bound book. They will make an appointment to schedule a visit. You can have the option of going down to the field office with your bound book. In addition, If they wish to look at your C & R firearms that you bought with the license then you must comply. However in most cases it will be just the bound book in which they will have an interest in. Generally once you apply for a C & R you wait three to eight weeks and get the license. The ATF does not normally have pre-interviews before issuing the license in most states for a 03 C & R FFL.* *Pre-interviews HAVE been reported in the NY metropolitan area around Nassau and Suffolk County NY and NJ as some have reported..... Normally the ATF does not conduct pre-interviews in most states for the FFL 03 C & R license. A regular FFL 01, 02 WILL have pre-interviews, and pre inspection and compliance with local laws and ordinances before they issue the license.

Judge Andrew Napolitano appeared on the TruNews radio program and talked about it. If you are interested you can hear it for free, the interview starts about 20 minutes into the program. http://www.trunews.com/Audio/12_16_11_friday_trunews2.mp3 "Guest: Judge Andrew Napolitano and Stewart Rhodes Topic: Judge Andrew Napolitano and Oathkeepers founder Stewart Rhodes discuss the new law that empowers the US military to arrest and detain indefinitely American citizens accused of terrorism"

With a C & R license, if you let it lapse..you do not need to send the bound book into the ATF. And this may come as a surprise, but not all dealers will accept the C & R license. There are several gun shops around here that refuse the C & R.

Here they have the occasional DOT inspections, which seem to concentrate on commercial drivers in commercial vehicles. My question what if an out of state driver goes through the NJ MVC mobile inspection checkpoint? They can't cite a driver for only having one license plate or doesn't have an emissions check certificate if their state back home doesn't require it. I guess for them ...they check license, insurance and registration and lets them go on if those are in order?

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I always thought toilet paper would be near the top of the barter list along with ammo. Barter Items no special order...partial list... Coffee Toilet Paper Ammo Cigarettes Whiskey Soap Livestock including chickens, pigs,goats Non Hybrid seeds Rechargeable batteries Solar panels CB Radios Clothes, especially socks and shoes Towels, blankets

Write/introduce legislation that repeals the entire 1966 Sills act and replaces it with just the Federal NICS. The arguments would be the FID is redundant, costs money and valuable manpower that can be used elsewhere, it tramples second amendment rights, kept people from visiting the state and affected tourism (money), it hampers business and commerce, is contrary to published Federal laws and illegally restricts potential FFL 03 license holders. Work on that first and then introduce the conceal carry legislation.

Earthquakes and tornadoes can happen in NJ, although the chances of it happening is much less than here in the Midwest. I understand there is the Ramapo fault line running through upstate NJ. Here the New Madrid is some 300 miles away. Friends back East told me about tornado warnings for Ocean and Monmouth Counties this past year. I think Brooklyn NY got hit twice with weak tornadoes in the last couple of years. Someone said central NJ is more prone to tornadoes. In and around here ...the areas Louisville and into Indiana ...seems more tornado prone as well as Xenia Ohio. Friend told me about a Hurricane Floyd there in NJ in 1999, he said that besides generators and pumps, chain saws also came in handy. A generator can pay for itself, for instance if you have several hundred dollars of food in the deep freezer and the fridge. if the power goes out for a couple of days in the summer...with a generator and enough fuel you would be good to go until the power came back. If you have a big enough of a generator, you can run a freezer, fridge and a small a/c. Having a place to in the country to go just in case (wherever you think it is) might be just as important as having a couple weeks or months of food and water . During an extended blackout due to a storm, would the ATM machines work? You might want to figure on having some cash on hand ( a few weeks worth) for the few stores that might be open. The lists the others put are excellent..but I wanted to chime in with the above...

So then the 1924 law banned both concealed and open carry? Trenton NJ 1962 report "The police division is complying with the provisions of the law regulating control of permits to private citizens to carry a concealed weapon. Very few such permits exist in the City and constant vigilance is maintained to detect and apprehend violators of the concealed weapons law."

At one time between 1924 and 1962 (and maybe later) there were only concealed carry permits issued according to the Trenton NJ police referenced. Maybe between those dates there was open carry...I cannot locate the specific date or law when open carry was banned....unless it always has been illegal.

I am an outsider. But I don't think having 500 or 5000 all applying for carry permits will do anything except bring some temporary publicity and then it will be forgotten by the media. Like others have said, applying for a carry permit and getting denied could hurt your chances for future permits (when you have to put on an application if you ever been denied). I have done some research and have references below... Good ideas Rallies in Trenton (and elsewhere like Atlantic City while some major convention going on) ,could bring free publicity and get the TV media from both NY and PA to cover it. Publicize on other gun forums and gun groups from other states. (There are people living in other states who are former NJ residents or who have friends or relatives living in NJ and thus have a stake in positive gun reforms for NJ as as those who live there). A push to end the FID system, as it is redundant and pointless now that NICS is in place. I cannot see any legal reason why gun owners in New Jersey (or anywhere else for that matter) still need to go through two or three background checks just to buy a pistol unlike the most of the country where one background check is all that is needed. NJ still can keep their State Point Of Contact status (like PA does) without the Firearms ID card. (Some states have a State POC for long guns and pistols, other states have the State POC for pistols and the Federal NICS for long guns, other states have just the Federal NICS for both long guns and pistols). As above, repeal the 1966 Sills act mandating the FID system but convert the Firearms ID cards into carry permits. ID cards would no longer be needed to purchase long guns and pistols as the State POC would be all that is needed for a background check as in other states. Put back the second amendment back into the NJ constitution (which was allegedly taken out in 1947 during a constitutional convention in NJ). http://conservativen...d-in-new-jersey I found the following interesting and thought provoking. In 1962 there were references to a "Concealed Carry Permit" not a 'carry permit'. So does this imply that open carry WAS allowed with out a permit? http://trentonpdhist...l_Reports/1962/ 8th paragraph down "The police division is complying with the provisions of the law regulating control of permits to private citizens to carry a concealed weapon. Very few such permits exist in the City and constant vigilance is maintained to detect and apprehend violators of the concealed weapons law." So what law banned open carry and when?...according to the above, it had to be after 1962? I found a reference to 1924 as when the concealed carry law in NJ went into effect. "New Jersey had only one gun law (prohibiting dueling) in effect prior to 1924. No licenses, permits, or other measures were needed to buy, own, or carry a weapon." http://digitalcommon...xt=srhonorsprog (Ironically, my state Kentucky had laws against conceal carry before New Jersey...in 1813! " "Laws against carrying concealed weapons appeared in Kentucky as early as 1813." ) Police issued firearm permits dates back before the 1960's "Despite its shortcomings, the idea of police issued gun permits spread throughout the United States. Between 1911 and 1934 Arkansas, Hawaii, Michigan, Missouri, New Jersey, North Carolina and Oregon all passed laws similar to the Sullivan Law." Summary: From the above... it appears that even though there was a permit required for conceal carry in New Jersey from 1924 and on. The references above said nothing about open carry or a 'carry permit' in 1962, but only concealed carry. Was open carry permitted or tolerated until the mid 1960's when the FID system came in? I can't seem to locate the law as to when specifically open carry was officially banned. Try to get the law forbidding open carrying repealed along with the other reforms, then work on changing the 1924 concealed carry permit law. It might be more doable that way?

What about those out of state?

Thanks for the great pictures, some company should offer tours of the area...if someone hasn't already. I think there could be enough interest in this. I believe the area is a good candidate for a movie location. We keep hearing the term "Zombies" a lot. One could imagine a film with the title like "Zombies After the Apocalypse" being filmed there. It could be about the aftermath of WW III and ...one can guess the rest. The comments about it looking like Chernobyl, it does ...there are some interesting pictures from a Elena who visited Chernobyl years later. http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-land-of-the-wolves/chapter29.html

Thank you Reed338 for posting the purchase permit. M4BGRINGO ...It was not my intention to come across as sarcastic, or try to stir up anything. I have been studying gun laws in different states and of my asking to see the purchase permit was out of curiosity of what it looks like... and nothing more. I look forward to the day when positive gun reforms comes to New Jersey as well as other states such as Mass, Calif, MD and Illinois among others. I thank you and others who put up the good fight for your gun rights.

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What does a pistol purchase permit look like? Can one post a picture of one (minus the personal and relevant numbers of course)? I have never seen one, I heard they have 4 pages to it. Thanks

Here it is not required to have a permit for open carry and in addition one can legally carry in the car console, glove compartment and any part of the car that has a compartment, loaded or unloaded or in the open without a permit. Now if I decide to wear a coat and happen to cover the gun or place the gun under the car seat instead of the glove box, I now need a permit to do it, because it is then considered concealed. In order to carry concealed, one needs a permit and requires spending $80 on a mandatory safety course and for $60 permit fee and wait two months, all because It got cold out and I decided to put a coat on or place the weapon under the seat. So putting a piece of cloth over a weapon, (the same one weapon I can walk around legally just a second ago without passing a safety course or needing a permit with) now needs a permit and passing a safety course because of a piece of cloth...now where is the logic in that? My opinion is you should not need to pass a safety course to exercise a right. You should be all means know what you are doing. The fact that one is an gun enthusiast would likely (and hopefully) means that they are familiar with their weapon and its operation and the safety aspects that it requires. In order to have an interest in something, it is only logical to assume that someone has more than a casual interest in that subject. I saw the comments about people sweeping at gun ranges and other less than smart activity, by all means the range should put up rules and enforce them! Now that is not restricting anyone's rights. It is a run by a private company and they have their right to make up their own rules.