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You could... but just need to adapt to using a different method of manipulating the safety. Only issue would be finding a brace setup for it. 930 use 500 stocks/grips?

They put in that spacer to allow the same grip to work on the TAC-13... but gap between the trigger guard and Magpul AK grip is where you’ll see issues. Other brace setups I’ve seen, there was a decent gap between the trigger guard and where the grip ends. I had that identical situation when I was running a GG&G sling plate on my TAC-14. Actually looked to be about the same thickness as the adapter plate. If I run the standard Raptor grip, I toss that plate on (moves the grip back slightly, but profile doesn’t make it that uncomfortable). I just put a QD point on top of the Suarez (Choate makes the mechanism) assembly to make it work with a sling.

I don’t think either is hard to work on, but I’d say Glock is likely easier to completely disassemble. At least from how I remember when I installed the Apex parts in my M&Ps. But I’ve seen people screw up making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Neither is in Ruger Mk III territory, if that is what you are asking. Don't know about the Shield or plugs...

Wondering if it is just the same as the TAC-14 or they had to mess with it. I plan on getting the TAC-13, so will wait on the brace until I get it in hand and try the one I have. Funny thing, Suarez really badmouthed the TAC-13 as soon as it came out. Very different view when you watch the YouTube video on the new firearm. Far from a fan of Gabe, and even most of his products/views... but a handful do let me overlook some of the stuff he has to say. He definitely is pushing the TAC-14 further than it would have been without him.

TLR-6 doesn’t use a rail...

So is the Glock 30... And then you get that Glock 19 feel, just in .45. For a light, does the TLR-6 for the 43 work on the 48?

MP5... from Die Hard. I did get a Beretta, but not a fan of the standard 92 (Brigadier Inox). Only a few more months before I can at least pickup a PTR. I also really want to find two other guns and make something out of them. First one... an Obrez. Would be done the right way... SBR. Second... Whippet gun (A5 or derivative). Really would like to find a Mosin with a crap barrel to do it, as I only need to make a pistol grip and maybe a few inches of barrel. Shotgun would likely be a little more difficult to not have guilt with, but I’m sure people have destroyed enough of them that I’ll find something to use as a base. And while I’ll never afford the US test gun, a .45 Luger. I am really considering a Lugerman gun, whenever I get $7,000 just laying around.

You definitely sure it is the transmission? I had a 2002 Impala, which did do some odd stuff with shifting... very similar to what you described. Catalytic converter went. Would get worse as the converter heated up, and then it just started doing it constantly. Was a recall on the converter, from 2000 to about 2002. Arguing with the dealer about it resulted in the intake manifold melting (main difference between the Series II and III... your’s isn’t plastic) and the EGR valve going.

In all fairness, whichever way you swing... Black Aces did all the legwork on the 12 Gauge “firearm” concept. Credit does need to go where credit is due... Mossberg may have listed their pistol grip guns for years as firearms, but they weren’t the ones to push that envelope into a 14” barrel, nor did they get the original approval letter from the ATF (Black Aces’ letter is from 2014; Mossberg’s Shockwave letter is from 2017). It is funny that Mossberg called it the Shockwave, and kind of caused all the confusion. Shockwave is actually a grip/brace company, which produces the Raptor grip... used on both the (Mossberg) Shockwave and TAC-14/13. I’m sure until Mossberg got their lawyers researching into it, they thought it was a Randy Weaver situation with them.

Compliant rifles are only offered in 18”... not saying FFLs don’t buy standard 16” guns and pin (Steve does it, and how I got mine). Was kind of trying to allow people stuck here to have an option for going shorter and still be “NJ legal.” Figure it is a better offer for the community than an epic destruction of 15 round Glock magazines. Either way... still want to gouge my eyes out on the mobile site.

Yea, just sent mine out... Three people... Anthony, Brownell, and Geist (Benghazi contractor).

16” compliant barrels aren’t that common... most Tavors that are NJ compliant have 18” barrels. I could, as I’m planning on doing it on a few rifles, but figured someone here could benefit from it.

Some forums can’t have it butted up to the text... and require a line break between the beginning or end. On other forums, you can quote a post and see how it is setup (doesn’t show up like an image). For example, if the closing tag is right after the period of the last quoted sentence, I’ve seen other forums not quote the statement. But hit return after the quote and before the tag... it works. Same for the opening tag. At least from what I’ve seen...

Turn it sideways...

Isn’t the Mossberg... different safety. It sort of looks Turkish... Stoeger or maybe the guns Mossberg brings in.

You don't have that?

Supposedly, it is pretty affordable. Still wish someone did it off an 11-87, and redid the spring setup like those other pistol grip only designs.

Looking at the Shot Show coverage... can’t wait to get out of NJ. The FightLite MXR is definitely going on my list... along with the PTR 9CT (MP5 clone).

I’ve been plugging along on Safari... it absolutely sucks. Hope it gets working, as I would like to stick around on the forum at least until September. Only other forums I use Safari for are AR15.com and MCARBO (both are a lot easier to work with on here). Figured I’d give members here first chance on a 16” compliant Tavor barrel, as I plan on switching it out for a free one upon getting up to Maine. Wish the magazine ban didn’t come down... would have done the same for the 15 rounders. Those will have to go up on AR15.com... unfortunately.

Is this really a surprise?

You can read up the Federal regulations pretty easily. Short version... no stock, no rifled barrel, over 26”/designed to be fired with two hands... can’t be considered a rifle, shotgun, pistol, or AOW. Without being one of those, can’t be any of the NFA stuff (isn’t a DD because of using shotgun shells; can’t make a SBS from something that isn’t a shotgun). In regards to NJ, the NJSP released a letter to FFLs pertaining to these firearms. It was in a long thread on the Shockwave, titled something like “NJ Legal?” If someone else with a better interface of the forum can’t link it for you, going to have to look for yourself, as the mobile site isn’t working to well for me. Spark notes version... the TAC-14, Shockwave, and Black Aces DT are not considered shotguns, but firearms. As long as you follow Federal law, and don’t build one off a shotgun, they are legal... and transferred like a long gun (must be 21, which is Federal). Similar firearms are also ok, following same stipulations. Braced firearms are good to go Federally. In regards to NJ, the Black Aces DT comes with one... so don’t see an issue (named in the NJSP letter). Not a stock, so ok.

So, what are you planning on doing, if elected? Don’t get me wrong, no way would I imply that you aren’t a supporter of the 2nd Amendment. Personally, I agree with a majority of your stances, and feel you are probably one of the top 2nd Amendment supporters in the state. However, the Board isn’t going to change the issues I have with the NRA. I do not mean won’t change those issues, but actually can’t change them. Life member for about 18 or so years, and no issue voting for you. But just interested in what your looking towards, once elected.

Sorry, but not going to watch a 15 minute video while at work... Sparks Notes version? The real question I have, whether you settle on .410 or not (I’ll touch that later), is how does a Shockwave work out better than an 18” 500 in this situation? I’m not seeing why the Shockwave is so much better... but I’m also not one of these “experts” you mentioned earlier. And remember, I’m definitely one that supports the use of these... but I also have a conscious when someone asks me a question like that. I could easily say, “yea... she will be good with it.” But I am also not trying to sell you on something. Is your 60ish year old mother going to practice with the Shockwave? If not, putting a stocked shotgun likely would be a little better of an idea, as shouldered weapons do tend to lend themselves as a better choice. Same exact function between the two. Is a regular 500 going to be larger (get a youth stock, if it didn’t already come with one)? Yes... but I’ve yet to hear a reason why not. That was my main question. To be clear, DO NOT add a stock to the Shockwave. Would be breaking Federal and State laws, regarding Short Barrel Shotguns. In regards to the round “bouncing off,” where exactly did I state that? Think I said it wouldn’t be my first choice (but if it was all I had, I’d use it) and that I personally wouldn’t want to be shot with it. You asked a question about .410... and I gave you my view. Just because a projectile hits a target doesn’t mean it will be effective. How many instances are there of people taking multiple handgun hits, even ones proving to be fatal, and still inflicting damage? You can look that stuff up yourself very easily, if it interests you. Prior to bullet technology catching up, the idea was to go bigger/faster. Then you hit a wall where some shooters couldn’t connect (10mm), and it was moved back (10mm Lite/.40). Not that this directly speaks here, but seeing the move back to 9mm was mainly due to better bullets that expand more reliably (among other factors that really would bring this far off topic). What stops someone? Ideally, a round into the central nervous system... mainly the brain or spinal cord. If not that, putting as many holes (large as possible) into the person, to make enough blood loss to stop the fight (a lot slower than the first option). Let’s say you fire a round, hits the floor in front of the guy... will he run away? Likely... which is a win, but that isn’t a guarantee. If it were, you could just go Joe Biden, put in blanks, and call it good. 000 buckshot, while definitely capable of inflicting damage, is still a lead ball. Sorry if that goes against the view .410 will always do the job, but lesser pellets in addition to a non-traditional firearm (Shockwave), I don’t view it as a good option. There always are stipulations that changes view, but from what you wrote... that’s my opinion. Again, sorry if you disagree or think I’m viewing the .410 as anemic.

Just checked Winchester... 2.5” shells are 1,300 FPS with 3 000 pellets. 3” is 1,100 FPS with 5 pellets. 000 is about the size of .38/9mm... but mass is a bit different. I think a single 000 pellet is around 62 grains, whereas a similar 9mm at about that speed (stick to standard pressure; but I’m also figuring that velocity will be in the area coming out of a 14” barrel; 9mm would be a 16” barrel) is 124 grain. Lead ball verses different bullet designs, some expanding. I wouldn’t want to be hit with either, but terminal performance is likely going to favor 9mm. Shotguns make up for that with more pellets, which is why more is usually “better.” It seems you want the numbers to work out, but I’ve seen people miss targets with a stocked shotgun... when they have a pattern of 8 to 10 pellets. Cutting them down to either 3 or 5, you are also reducing your likelihood of hit. Pattern is going to be a bigger importance with that setup. I’d also suggest to get good with a single bead sight. Some think it is just an easy way of sighting... put bead on target, pull trigger. Receiver covers any of the bead, going to hit low. See the barrel in your sight picture... going to hit high. Favoring a side of the receiver... left or right. That being said, not wanting a pistol... how come a stocked shotgun/carbine isn’t an option? For someone who is a beginner, I view a Shockwave as an odd choice. There are plenty of regular shooters on here that don’t like the firearm setup. I definitely like it, but I do admit... it is not for everyone. Funny what a month’s time does...

I doubt there are “experts” in regards to .410 defensive performance. Don’t mean any disrespect by it, but just making the barrel longer doesn’t automatically mean better performance. Quick example off the top of my head, .45 ACP... you don’t want to go further than 16” barrels, as velocities start dropping by then. I believe most common pistol calibers are in that same boat. Those PDX1 rounds were actually designed to be fired from the Judge. Depending on powder (fast burning for short barrel), you might not see a great increase in performance out of a 14” barrel. Main issue with the Judge is that it is a compromise gun. Rifling, which is needed for it not to be an AOW, distorts the pattern. Bullet jump of .45 Colt with the long cylinder lowers accuracy for those rounds. Most guns that do multiple things like that usually are mediocre among all the things it does. I’d think a smoothbore Judge would pattern a lot better than the revolver produced... but a traditional .45 Colt would shoot more accurately, just the same.