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More like: Everything is forbidden without first obtaining written permission from the state.

Have you all read the AG's directive on this? http://www.njdcj.org/agguide/directives/Graves-Act-clarification-2014.pdf In short, county prosecutors should offer PTI to otherwise legal out of staters who come into NJ with a gun. If PTI is inapplicable, then their first plea offer should be probation, no jail time. ETA: This means the AG is taking the position that the Graves Act is about criminals, not law abiding people who name mistakes. While this doesn't directly do anything for us, it will keep a lot of innocent gun owners out of prison (a 2A win) and will give NJ gun owners who get caught up on a stupid technicality a stronger defense. It's good news for the Second Amendment all around

No. Similarly, if she was a NJ resident, she could keep get FPID.

The standard conditions are:Community service Fines/fees ($125) Reporting to your P.O., as directed Remain arrest free during the term of supervision (Now here's the bad stuff) Not allowed to possess any firearms while on PTI supervision AND Forfeit the weapon. That's what's standard. Her attorney can argue against forfeiture, but it's up to the judge to grant that exclusion. As for no weapons during PTI, the only time I've seen that waived is for LE. Also, since she lives in PA, her supervision will be with PA probation and they might not have that rule or they might be more lenient in waiving it. Though she's in Philly, so probably not. tl;dr: Worst case- she loses that particular gun and is disarmed for the next 12 months, but no permanent loss of 2A rights.

FWIW, she's not the first person to get PTI under exactly these circumstances. Unfortunately, there's no such thing as precedent in granting people entry into PTI. The guidelines state that admission "shall be measured according to the applicant's amenability to correction, responsiveness to rehabilitation and the nature of the offense." And case law establishes that: PTI decisions are 'primarily individualistic in nature' and a prosecutor must consider an individual defendant's features that bear on his or her amenability to rehabilitation." Meaning that every decision has to be based on the specifics of the charge AND the applicant. So lots of people we never hear about will keep getting screwed by NJ gun laws.

Awesome! I'm glad this nightmare is over for her.

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Discussed before here: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/67695-citadel-is-now-making-a-9mm-carbine-is-it-legal/ And here: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/35331-is-this-rifle-legal-in-nj-one-shop-says-yes-anothe-no/ And sort of here: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/53668-what-makes-an-us-m1-carbine-no-go-for-nj/?fromsearch=1 ETA: Of course no definitive conclusion, except that future generations of free people will read this and say about our state (i.e us)

It's all about the name.

I thought it was cool, then I remembered I live in NJ, so no point in a 9mm snub nosed revolver. It's good to see that they used the same frame as the .357 LCR, which means they considered the higher pressure of the 9mm. But still... Meh. That said, this will probably sell like hotcakes and I can't fault a business for making money.

We're in agreement here. The only point I've been making is that, internal mechanisms aside (i.e. how rounds are loaded in the chamber), semi-auto handguns and DA revolvers are indistinguishable in the way they fire. The distinction between auto loading long guns and non auto loaders (bolt/pump/lever) is much more well-defined. A more accurate comparison would be auto loading pistols vs single-action revolvers. Why all of this matters, returning to the OP's original point, is that the gun grabbers exploit this artificial difference to incrementally attack our rights. Take the NY SAFE act, with its original 7 round limit: No one thinks that a Mark III with a 10 round magazine is more dangerous than an 8 shot .357 S&W revolver, but the former was categorized as an "assault weapon" based on this false distinction.

I just looked it up. Well, that's the last time in using that gif...

Also, Anthony said pork roll. And here I thought he was from North Jersey.

GFH Radio show is always a good listen. Re: PTI. Anthony mentioned that the prosecutor in Atlantic county said he needs more time to consider Shaneen Allen's case. Anthony wasn't sure of PTI was still an option (it is). Her next court date was scheduled for 10/06 and they pushed back two weeks. Hopefully it's good news for her.

That's right. Which makes the OP's point all the more valid- The differences between auto-loading pistols and revolvers have nothing to do with how they function. Both are one trigger press = one bullet fired and the next round is ready to be fired. It's just a feeding mechanism.

Actually, and admittedly I'm no rocket scientist, one trigger press is also all that's needed to fire a DA revolver, it's just a longer one. Unless we're talking about a DA or DAO "semi-auto", in which case the trigger pull will be equally long and stiff*. *what she said joke not intended.

Def. the 226.

Yeah, I completely agree. There really is no noticeable difference in terms of how fast one shoots vs the other. Plus in CA, round count is already limited to 10. But whatever. Logic, reason and facts mean nothing to the antis. Anything they can point to and claim that it's extra dangerous, they will.

It's not too late to offer PTI. They can make that offer up until the case is finalized (sentenced or dismissed).

Taylor ham!

Nice find, congrats. I'll second HE's recommendation on the Tyler T grips.

The OP is right. Semi-auto is a term invented to differentiate guns that fire one round per trigger press from full auto firearms. But the correct name is autoloader/autoloading which describes the fact that the gun automatically chambers the next round after it's fired. Hence ACP- Automatic Colt Pistol. But everyone uses semi, so it is what it is.

Well technically the Obrez Mosins are SBRs, unless you build one yourself from a new (never used in a rifle) receiver. ETA That's a good thing, BTW, otherwise BATFE would shut down imports of steel core x54r ammo ("armor piercing" handgun ammo it's a no go).