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Well, after checking out many different spotting scopes, I finally decided to pull the trigger and ordered a Meopta MeoPro 80 HD spotting scope that has an integrated 20x 60x eyepiece, a HD Fluoride objective lens, Schott glass and ion-assisted multi-coatings to eliminate chromatic aberrations (CA) and color fringing, all encased in a rubber coated magnesium chassis. This spotting scope will be used primarily for assisting with my long-range shooting between 100-500 yards. As some of you know, Meopta is a high quality optics company based in the Czech Republic that has been manufacturing optics since the 1930’s. I had been originally considering their Meostar S2 Angle 82mm spotting scope, but it, along with a 30-60x eyepiece, costing an additional $500, would total around $2,200 making it too expensive for what I want to pay. The MeoPro 80 HD takes essentially the same Czech-produced optics and assembles them in Meopta’s US facility in Hauppauge, NY. This allows for a significant cost reduction of this scope to the current street price of $1,500. With padded cases. lens caps, along with a high-quality Creedmore Sports Polecat Scope Stand, with a padded tri-pod case to mount the spotting scope on, my total investment costs are just around $2,000. Not cheap by any means, but it is my investment in a high-quality optic system that will provide superior visual capabilities that I expect will last for the balance of my shooting career. AVB-AMG

voyager9: That is an interesting article. Not being on either Facebook or Twitter, I had no idea that both seem to be succumbing to political pressures and choosing sides in the ever increasing polarized culture war in our society. That is why I appreciate the freedom of expression and enjoy the un-censored aspect of NJGF. AVB-AMG

JackDaWack: Interesting thought... But I am not so sure I would agree. I wonder if Facebook and Twitter could be communication fads or the social media "fashion" of a certain period, that will eventually be relegated to the trash bin of earlier technologies, tools and devices. Similar to the way VHS tapes were part of the evolution of recording and playing videos, until they were rendered obsolete by CD's, which in turn were superseded by streaming via a broadband connection through the internet. I get the convenience factor of social media, but am not willing to sacrifice my privacy nor, become obsessed with constantly checking my phone to see updates and responses to postings and tweets. Ok, OK...., to be fair and objective, many of us already do that to a certain extent here on NJGF or other blogs. So it is a matter of how many forums are we willing to participate in with all of the associated distractions. AVB-AMG

Nucrunner: Ha, Ha.... touche! That is probably another excellent reason why it is a good thing I am not on Twitter, having to limit myself to 140 characters in a post…. AVB-AMG

Maksim: Thank you for your well thought out and stated reasoning based on your experience, as well as the details of how NJGF differs from Facebook and Twitter. I certainly understand and respect how you and others, (maintenanceguy), that own/run your own small businesses need to have an account and presence on Facebook and Twitter in order to be accessible and searchable to the younger generation that uses both social media platforms. Through the various responses to this thread, it will be interesting to see what percentage of NJGF members are currently actively using Facebook and/or Twitter. AVB-AMG

This is a topic that was addressed in NJGF about 4-5 years ago and I thought it might be interesting to revisit the topic and get an update. I am old enough to have experienced the growth and evolution of personal computers, cell phones, email, the internet, smart phones, social media, texting, etc., to have now reached a point to ask: How much immediate accessibility in a large forum is sufficient and how much is overload? I enjoy the many benefits of social media, but consciously decided about 12+ years ago that I would draw the line at NOT subscribing and participating in either Facebook or Twitter . As far as I am concerned, I have no regrets and still believe that it was the right choice for me. For those over the age of 50, remember how much a novelty it was to have a cell phone, then how CompuServe, Prodigy and America Online (AOL), opened up access to the new world of the internet to the public. It is probably too early in the ongoing evolution of social media to really know if Facebook and Twitter are fads or if their business model will tire and their growth will have already peaked and their membership, or more importantly, participation, will continue to decline. I was always concerned that Facebook would be an invasion of my privacy, where the company will profit from selling all of my personal information and preferences to merchants and advertisers, causing me to be inundated with unsolicited ads. As a WSJ Op. Ed. writer implied a couple of years ago: “If you are not paying for a product, then you are not the customer, you are the product….” Facebook and Twitter are very sophisticated data mining marketing tools, allowing these companies to profit off of the participants by harvesting massive amounts of personal information about you, your interests, etc., with you essentially being passively willing to provide this information. We are starting to get survey data that internet advertising has not been very effective and that there is backlash against the advertisers for the constant annoying, “in your face”, white noise of all these ads, banners or pop-ups. As far as Twitter is concerned, who has the time to obsessively write what you are doing all the time or really cares to see photos of the meal you are about to eat? I doubt anyone would be interested in my everyday activities and I would be concerned if they did. From what I can gather, Twitter users that regularly post are either selling/promoting a product or story, or are very self-involved people that like to hear themselves speak. It's a promotional tool for companies, sports personalities and celebrities, many who have gotten themselves in hot water and suffered the consequences of tweeting stupid statements. To think that people outside of our immediate family and friends cares about the minutia of our life and wants to read posts or see photos that we upload to social media, can become quite pretentious and conceited. Having seen some people’s pontificating neurotically or self-importantly about some trivial issues on a co-workers Facebook feed on his smartphone, makes me just roll my eyes. The constant overt or subliminal message of “hey look at me” or “pay attention to me” becomes an annoying and pathetic cry or shouting that may ultimately have the opposite effect of one’s intention and just adding to the chaotic din of chatter overload. I never bought into the argument that it was an ideal way to keep in touch with friends and family. They continue to reach out to me either face-to-face, (the best way!), or via telephone calls, email or text messages. Also, I read multiple newspapers online and watch a couple of selected news programs on a daily basis to get my news about current events, so do not look to Facebook or Twitter for this purpose. To be objective, being an active participant/contributor on NJGF, as well as other online forums of different topics, there is a similar correlation to the addictive nature of an online dialogue on various issues, but is very much topic-specific and not really the same level of intrusiveness or distraction. I respect that other social media outlets and online platforms have very useful purposes. I accept that LinkedIn is a more professional social media platform that can assist people seeking a new job. I use Google Chrome on a daily basis as my internet search engine. I have been seduced by the immediate gratification allowed by being a member of Amazon Prime. But where do or at what point do each of us say enough is enough that we are well served by the online tools that we already have and use? Facebook and Twitter play on basic human weaknesses and self-conscious vanity. People want to be recognized and validated and above all: “liked”. By quantifying the number of “friends, fans and follower’s”, it is an ego-boosting aphrodisiac that is very misleading and distracting from more meaningful ways to communicate. From speaking to friends and co-workers who are active on either or both Facebook and Twitter, the sense I get is that there are quite a lot of people “talking” but not many people “listening”. Is that why many participants are now choosing to close their accounts? Do others remember and also cherish the now very rare occasion of receiving an old fashion hand-written note or letter? As I see it, one of the real problems with Facebook, Twitter and social media in general is that, for most of us, it becomes an ever increasing noise that distracts from concentrating on more important and interesting events, tasks or basic social living by addressing your immediate surroundings and participating in actual hobbies and activities with more redeeming value and benefits, psychological and/or physical. So there it is… What do you all think today about Facebook and Twitter? Do you use it still, or like me, chose not to participate in either. Let’s hear your thoughts…. AVB-AMG

Blacksmythe & ronhonda: I have taken the NRA Pistol 1 at RTSP, as well as Urban Pistol 1 & 2 at GFH. Later this year I will take Urban Carbine 1 at GFH. I will be taking the NRA Shotgun 1 at Shongum this Spring. My desire is to learn and practice both accurate shooting and defensive combat skills. Also, later this year I will also probably try one or more of the competitive pistol shoot organizations, when I have more free time. AVB-AMG Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I think that too many of you are acting or sounding like the principles of our country are about to come to an end because US Supreme Court Justice Scalia died. Get a grip.. We will survive this. The Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell has stated that the American people are entitled to be part of this choice. Well hello… Like it or not, Barak Obama has been elected President, twice…., by the American people. The Republican Party is already heading off the deep end and they really cannot afford either the perception or the reality of being obstructionists, preventing what our Constitution calls for in this situation. President Obama will do his Constitutional duty and nominate someone to fill the vacancy on the SCOTUS. We have no idea at this point who he will nominate so why make the blanket assertion that our country should wait for the next POTUS to make the nomination? While it is unlikely that whomever Obama nominates will be a true conservative, I for one think there is a good chance that it will be a solid, proven jurist who may even be acceptable to some Republican Senators. I have to believe that there must exist somewhere in our country a judge or scholar with impeccable credentials and impartiality who, in rational times, would have an easy road through the confirmation process. This would be an individual acceptable to both parties.Maybe in his last act of attempted bi-partisanship, President Obama could invite Senators McConnell and Charles E. Grassley, the Judiciary Committee chairman, to the White House for a discussion of potentially acceptable qualified candidates to attempt to see if they can find any common ground. Yes, this would require courage on everyone’s part, but I have not given up hope that it is still possible. They all could present lists of distinguished lawyers who might be acceptable to the other side. What a concept…! If I am wrong and Obama nominates someone inappropriate, then the Senate can and will vote to deny his or her ratification. They all will then have performed their Constitutional duties, without delay or obstructionism. At that point, Obama can try again with another candidate or if time is running out on his Presidency, then it will most likely be postponed for the next President to nominate someone else. AVB-AMG

bbk: I agree completely with your points. Also, if Apple were to cave into this request/demand, what is to prevent China, Russia or some other country from requesting/demanding that Apple do the same thing for them in their pursuit of some political dissident? The final decision on this issue will have major ramifications on our diminishing personal freedoms. AVB-AMG

Vlad: Good recommendation! I will be doing that with a neighbor and his son in two weeks. Also, FYI - Justice Anthony Kennedy was nominated by President Ronald Reagan in 1987 after his two previous nominations of Robert Bork and Douglas Ginsburg collapsed. justice Kennedy was confirmed in 1988, which was an election year, when Democrats controlled the Senate.... AVB-AMG

As an update, both Tom and Mike have helped me out. They performed some desired modifications to my AR-15 and they also replaced trigger springs on my modified Glock 17 Gen 4. They both do quality work, charge fair labor rates and go the "extra mile" to ensure that their work satisfies both themselves and the customer. I can recommend them highly for both work and advice.

N.J. lost $18B in a decade due to outmigration, NJBIA report says The New Jersey Business & Industry Association released a report Thursday indicating that the outmigration of some 2 million New Jersey residents cost the state approximately $18 billion in net adjusted gross income in the years between 2004 and 2013. Some other highlights of this article: The study found that the majority of New Jersey residents leaving the state are migrating to Pennsylvania. New York was the second-most-popular destination for those relocating from the Garden State. While NJ residents are leaving in search of lower taxes, they also want to maintain a relatively close proximity to family and friends who are in NJ. And it’s not just retirees, either… millennials, which is defined as people between the ages of 18 and 34, are leaving New Jersey in the highest numbers. Why?Many young people go out of state to college and never return. The cost of living in NJ is so high, young people are choosing to settle elsewhere. To help reverse some of the trends unearthed by this report, several recommendations include a full reform of NJ’s tax structure to make it more competitive with its neighbors, including but not limited to addressing the estate and inheritance taxes, in addition to the tax on pension incomes. FYI - Here is the link to the article in today’s NJBIZ.COM: http://www.njbiz.com/article/20160211/NJBIZ01/160219938/nj-lost-18b-in-a-decade-due-to-outmigration-njbia-report-says?utm_source=NJBIZ+Daily&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.njbiz.com%2farticle%2f20160211%2fNJBIZ01%2f160219938%2fnj-lost-18b-in-a-decade-due-to-outmigration-njbia-report-says&utm_campaign=The+Daily%3a+N.J.+lost+%2418B+in+a+decade+due+to+outmigration%2c+do+you+have+the+coolest+office+in+N.J.%3f+a

FYI - Griffin & Howe closed their retail store in Bernardsville, NJ and consolidated it to the Griffin & Howe Shooting School in Andover, NJ

n4p226r: I agree! Early on in my resurgent shooting career, I decided to go the "belt and suspenders" route. I always will use noise-reduction earplugs and then put over my plugged ears, the Peltor Sport Tactical 100 Electronic Hearing Protector (Ear Muffs), for added noise suppression. I had been using the 3M Peltor Combat Arms Earplugs which were good, but will now be switching to the Decibuliz Custom Molded Earplugs which arrived this past weekend and I performed the custom fitting as per their instructions. When shooting at an indoor range, even if you are just shooting a 9 mm pistol, there may be someone in the next shooting lane/bay firing a .50 cal or a large caliber rifle that is inherently louder. When you can feel the pressure of the adjacent firearm, even though you are separated by a solid partition, you know that your ears need really good protection. It is prudent practice for all of us to protect whatever hearing ability we still have, after many youthful years of listening to very loud rock n'roll, (speaking for myself....) AVB-AMG

Here is the list of my most recently read books that I think many of you will enjoy and appreciate: American Rifle: A Biography By Alexander Rose A very detailed, thoroughly researched and in-depth history of an American icon: the rifle. I found it to be a fascinating detailed explanation of the evolutionary progression of the rifle in this country’s history as our country developed, describing the nuances of each, along with the political reasons behind the success for some and failure of others. He gets into the details of metallurgy, Gunsmithing, improving technology for guns and ammunition and geopolitics affected progress. He explains how the gun industry was the first to introduce mass production into our industrial revolution, leading the way towards American economic supremacy. I recommend this book for gun buffs/collectors and others interested in learning the dynamic relationship between the rifle and this nation's history. The Future of the Gun By Frank Miniter I found this book to be a worthy addition to the discussion about guns and our society. This book takes you where the main-stream media will not go - into the lives of the people who own, use, design, manufacture, and sell guns. Miniter offers up a well written, brief history of guns in America, explains the volatile and divisive politics of this issue and speculates on what the future might hold for firearms in this nation. It is an extremely compelling read. He also addresses and clarifies one of the biggest misconceptions that has and continues to be perpetrated by the gun control crowd: the all-encompassing label: "assault weapon". I was surprised to discover that there are currently more than 7,000 manufacturers producing firearms and/or ammunition these days. It comes as no surprise that gun manufacturers like Remington have been closing plants in deep blue states like Connecticut, New York and Colorado where they are no longer welcome and moving their operations to more gun-friendly places like Texas, North Carolina and Florida. The author describes amazing breakthroughs waiting to happen in gun technology, as well as the challenges of the anti-gun forces. He gets into new technology that includes computer numerical controlled machines (CNC) that are making consistently top quality gun components. 3D printing is opening up whole new vistas that firearms manufacturers could have only dreamed of just a decade ago and explains how the advances in technology will make future guns smaller, lighter, more powerful and accurate. The Second Amendment Primer: A Citizen's Guidebook to the History, Sources, and Authorities for the Constitutional Guarantee of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms By Les Adams I was looking for and found this as a simple guide or primer to understanding the Second Amendment that is detailed and well documented. So much of the debate about the Second Amendment is in scholarly journals and academic papers written by scholars and judges, or directed towards other scholars, law professors, attorneys, and judges. It is chronologically arranged and traces the development of the right to keep and bear arms from its birth in ancient Greece to its addition in the U.S. Constitution. Supplemental essays discuss the Second Amendment’s interpretation in today’s world from the viewpoints of both firearms enthusiasts as well as those who would limit the amendment’s purview with their interpretation. Gun Guys: A Road Trip By Dan Baum This has been for me the most interesting, entertaining and engrossing book on guns to date. It is the personal story and journey of discovery by one man, the author, who is a life-long gun guy who happens to be a Jewish Democrat who grew up in suburban New Jersey feeling like a "child of a bitter divorce with allegiance to both parents". In Gun Guys he grabs his CCW licensed handgun, initially a .38 Detective Special, to see what the armed lifestyle is about and hits the road to meet some of the 40 percent of Americans who own guns. His stories include meeting and interviewing all sorts of folks, from a couple who are 3-gun competition participants, to collectors of machine guns, to victims of gun violence. He also takes the reader to gun shows, gun stores, NRA headquarters and shooting ranges while trying to figure out why so many of us love these things and why they inspire such passions while also recognizing and addressing the highly polarized hysteria on the gun issue. Baum’s curiosity about guns and his passion for them pull you deep into this book and has produced an excellent written personal gun story. “Taking participatory journalism to a debate that rivals abortion as a hot-button topic, he emerged with observations that need to be read by both sides of the highly polarized issue” (Quote by Massad Ayoob, author and use-of-force instructor). AVB-AMG

John Willett: I was traveling out of state last summer when the first NJ SAFE Conf. was held, so I am interested in attending this year's conference and am curious when tickets will go on sale. Is this an event where one may purchase tickets in advance or only at the door on the day of the event? AVB-AMG Edit on 3/02/16: I have now pre-registered online for this conference and E. Nappen's NJ Gun Law Class. Looking forward to both the class on 7/29 and the conference on 7/30.

67gtonut and AlexTheSane: Thank you both for doing the research and testing of these Decibullz Custom Molded Earplugs. They sound like a very affordable and effective option for our gun range hearing protection. As a result, I have just placed and order on Amazon.com (Prime) for one pair for myself and another pair for my wife, along with two Decibullz ear plug zippered storage cases. AVB-AMG

Vlad G: Technically you are correct, but I think you are sort of splitting hairs, yet I now see how my "Lesson Learned" statement could be misconstrued. Yes, I have made a commitment to a specific brand of 9mm ammunition, which eventually led to the issue with my modified trigger on my Glock 17 Gen 4. There was/is no trade off... An issue arose after a period of time and quite a few rounds having been fired. It was diagnosed and addressed and resolved, with the assistance of a Gunsmith. We eliminated the problem by swapping out a very light trigger spring to a slightly less light trigger spring. I have not had any FTF issues with this brand of ammo, either the Lawman or Gold Dot, using any of my other 9mm guns. Problem solved. I did not state that my experience is true for others who may have the same Glock with the same Pyramid trigger system, using Speer Lawman ammo with CCI primers, just that it was my experience. The "Lesson Learned" was my lesson learned and is my opinion and not meant to be a general pronouncement claiming and condemning all light trigger systems, implying that they may have similar problems with this particular brand of ammo. I apologize for any confusion by not making my original Lesson Learned statement as clear as it could and should have been. AVB-AMG

boo: Shooting this modified gun, I find or feel that the GD 124gr +P has a slight bit more recoil/kick than the Lawman 124gr, but not dramatically so.... AVB-AMG

Krdshrk: That is a fair and valid comment...., born out by my experience. I like to think that particular issue is now resolved so that I should be good to go forward with no more FTF's. BTW, the other modifications I have done to my Glock 17 Gen 4, 9mm, serving as my HD pistol, include: - Trijicon HD night sights (orange front) - Wilson Combat match grade stainless steel barrel - A tungsten guide rod and spring - Extended aluminum magazine release button - Extended slide release I also purchased and affixed to the pistol on its Picatinny rail, a SureFire X400 Ultra LED light with green Laser. All of these modifications and addition has added weight to the front of the gun, which in turn has subtlety, yet noticeably reduced the felt recoil when firing, which I prefer. Part of the reason that I have replaced some of the stock parts in this gun is my preference for using selected metal parts instead of plastic ones. AVB-AMG

Rather than start a new thread, I did a search and discovered this 4-yr. old thread of a related topic and have added my recent 2016 experience with Speer ammunition. A couple of years ago, I initially decided to buy and stock up with Speer ammunition products due to the many favorable reviews by other shooters that it is very reliable. The fact that they use CCI boxer primers and utilizing cleaner burning propellants and quality brass cartridges (Lawman) and nickeled brass cases (Gold Dot), were all strong selling points for me. While this ammo is a bit more expensive than other widely available ammo, I believed it was worth it for its quality control and resulting consistency and dependability. For the past two years, I have been shooting Speer Lawman 124 gr. TMJ 9mm Luger ammo (#53651), for all of my 9mm pistols, as my range target practice ammo. My Home Defense 9mm ammunition is Speer Gold Dot 124 gr. +P LE Hollow Point ammo (#53617). I have shot over 1,000 rounds of this ammo through this gun, probably 70% Lawman and 30% GD. I also subscribe to the belief that it is good to train and practice with both at the range. Like others have stated in this thread, I also want to use an target ammo weight / load that is very similar to one’s HD ammo. This allows me to practice with both target and HD ammo, where the target ammo emulates the load, velocity and bullet weight of my HD ammo, so my practice is more realistic of what I hope to never have to use with the HD ammo…. My main home defense pistol is a Glock 17, Gen 4 that I have modified. One of the modifications is the installation of the Pyramid Ultimate Trigger System. As most of you are probably aware, it is a drop-in trigger that transforms the OEM Glock’s trigger, providing a much lighter, shorter, crisper and more consistent trigger action. The Pyramid Ultimate system includes a titanium safety plunger, competition spring kit with springs for 2lb, 4lb and 6lb trigger action; double diamond connector and a skeletonized striker for a faster “pin-to-primer” speed and increased primer penetration. I installed the 2 lb spring into my Glock and have been very pleased with the results, until very recently. Well as I have now learned, Speer’s CCI primers, while cleaner than others, also have the trait of being somewhat harder than most, requiring a solid hit from the firing pin. I discovered this for myself recently when at the range, using a 10-round magazine in my Glock, the first 5 rounds of Speer Lawman ammo would fire properly and then rounds 6-10 would fail-to-fire, with the gun just going “click”... At first I thought this issue might be caused by a faulty magazine spring, but loading and firing a different OEM Glock magazine produced the same result, first 5 rounds fine, next 5, nothing. To make a long story longer, working with the Gunsmith at my home range, he replaced the 2 lbs. Pyramid trigger spring with the 4 lbs. spring and was then able to test fire five - fully loaded 10 round magazines with no FTF issues. Problem solved.... Since I already had the spring it was just his labor and time that cost me some $. Lesson learned: While a very light trigger may be quite appealing to me and others, for a number of reasons, the need for a dependable and consistent firing action is paramount for a home defense weapon and supersedes the preference for a lighter trigger … (for me) AVB-AMG

Thanks bhunted..... I just found this older thread topic and wanted to share my experience from last year, as an update. It just shows that some companies are willing to change their policies of shipping so-called controversial prohibited items to NJ residents after re-evaluating and eliminating their earlier silly and paranoid policy.

Earlswagger: To give you and others here an update on your original frustrating experience with LaRue Tactical, I had the opposite experience. In the spring of 2015, I placed an order for a new LaRue Tactical OBR 5.56 with a 16" barrel and had it shipped to my NJ FFL, which is RTSP. Since I live in NJ, they automatically built it with a traditional A2 stock, since they know that NJ requires fixed stocks. Thinking that there would be a relatively long wait for them to fill my order, I was pleasantly surprised when they contacted me to inform me that they would be shipping the completed firearm to me about 2 weeks after I placed the order, instead of the expected 6 months. Having received it and practiced with it at three different gun ranges at distances from 25 yards up to 300 yards, I decided that I would prefer the lighter, as well as the all together different aesthetic of a LaRue Tactical RAT Stock. So last summer, I ordered a RAT stock from LaRue Tactical and had it shipped to my home in NJ. LaRue Tactical had no objection or problem doing that, so apparently their policy has been modified since you attempted to purchase the same part. Of course, in order to abide by NJ's nonsensical fixed stock law, I had RTSP's Gunsmith replace the A2 stock and installed the new RAT Stock, pinning and fixing it at my preferred length. I am pleased with the overall experience with LaRue Tactical's Customer Service staff, the quality of their product and the results of this relatively minor modification. (P.S. - For what it is worth, LaRue Tactical's Dillo Dust, that they also send to their customers with most orders, is a delicious dry seasoning steak rub...) AVB-AMG

Alex: What similar courses at various training facilities can you suggest and/or recommend, that are in a 2-3 hour driving distance from the Morristown, NJ area? I am very interested in continuing my firearms education and training for pistols and rifles, building upon the basic and first steps pistol and rifle courses I have already taken at RTSP and GFH/Woodland Park ranges. I have enjoyed and learned much at each of these courses, but anticipate wanting and needing a steadily advancing instruction sequence. I am willing to travel within reason. At this point, I am not going to make a dedicated trip to shooting schools in TX, NV or other states that would require more time and expense than I am willing to dedicate and pay. Also, I have been enjoying ongoing shotgun and sporting clays lessons at the Griffin & Howe Shooting School in Andover, NJ, so it is really just learning and understanding the options for more advanced education and training for pistols (9mm & .45 ACP) and rifles (various calibers). from really good, experienced instructors. Any suggestions from you (and others), would be greatly appreciated. AVB-AMG

remixer said: i inquired about this subject and got this reply. I will not say who said it but they are an authority when it comes to NJ gun law. "NJSA 2C:39-e. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent a person keeping or carrying about his place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, any firearm, or from carrying the same, in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section, from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair. For the purposes of this section, a place of business shall be deemed to be a fixed location. The issue becomes, can you allow another "non owner" to possess and carry on your property. This is a question in dispute because some lawyers would say I can grant someone permission on my own property to carry, however there is no 'exception' written into the law. Even Evan Nappen states in his 2014 New Jersey Gun Law book that there is no exception to the law. This then falls back on the property owner, and their willingness to accept liability for the actions of allowing an unlicensed individual to 'carry' on his property. A liability I think few would like to have. Make all of your employees part owners of the business, then they would meet the standard, or hire retired police. A pink card is only a license to sell and transport firearms for a licensed dealer. " Thanks remixer: That is essentially what I thought may be the case..... AVB-AMG