n4p226r 105 Posted August 26, 2009 is a trigger lock like inside a soft case sufficient for a hatchback or do i need some sort of cheap plastic case with a lock. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bioed 0 Posted August 28, 2009 Under the conditions you describe I don't think a trigger lock will help you. The case itself has to be locked but it doesn't have to be a hard case. If your soft case has a zipper pull with a hole in the end there might be a ring or something on the case you could secure it to with a cheap little lock and that would be ok. My soft rifle cases have dual zipper pulls and locking the two of them together prevents the case from being opened. I've heard of someone who didn't want to fuss with keys using ty-wraps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted August 28, 2009 is a trigger lock like inside a soft case sufficient for a hatchback or do i need some sort of cheap plastic case with a lock. Technically no. The law says locked case. It goes a long way towards intent however. In a hatchback, can you fold the seats up and put a privacy cover over it? That would qualify it as a separate compartment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coldsolderjoint 84 Posted August 28, 2009 Doesn't the law say securely wrapped package, tied, or something similar to that? The locked case comes from the state police website, who.. aren't authorized to give legal advice? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted August 28, 2009 g.All weapons being transported under paragraph (2) of subsection b., subsection e., or paragraph (1) or (3) of subsection f. of this section shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.As it reads, the case only needs to be closed, not locked. You may just slip a gun sock over the firearm and be legal as do many hunters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted August 28, 2009 * Shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel, shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances. * The firearm should not be directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and ammunition must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console. A Hatchback with the seats down does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment so therefore it must be in a locked container. If you have the seats up and a good privacy cover, that would create a separate compartment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted August 28, 2009 Malsua, where was your quote from? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted August 28, 2009 Malsua, where was your quote from? http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/about/fire_trans.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted August 28, 2009 ill add a small lock between the zippers. especially for when im in a friend's vette. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coldsolderjoint 84 Posted August 28, 2009 Malsua, where was your quote from? http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/about/fire_trans.html That is from the State Police Website, and is a recommendation, it's not actually written in the statute they refer to Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted August 28, 2009 Malsua, where was your quote from? http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/about/fire_trans.html That is from the State Police Website, and is a recommendation, it's not actually written in the statute they refer to I want to say you are correct, BUT, I swore there is a section in the law that states a glove box is not legal. I just can't find that now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted August 28, 2009 The federal law is the following: Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. This would explain the confusion. The police have adopted this apparently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted August 28, 2009 I NEED CITED LAW!!! It's driving me nuts right now. ETA: Found it. FEDERAL LAW LINK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matty 810 Posted August 28, 2009 My cheap soft case ($10) has a nylon loop and a hole in the zipper handle, so I have a small combo lock that goes on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted August 28, 2009 Malsua. I didn't realize you quoted federal law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coldsolderjoint 84 Posted August 28, 2009 I NEED CITED LAW!!! It's driving me nuts right now. ETA: Found it. FEDERAL LAW LINK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted August 28, 2009 Doesn't this law apply to interstate transport? So if you are staying in NJ, wouldn't unloaded in a a closed/securely tied package suffice? I suspect that if the NJ police are using the NJ law and the extra bit from the Federal law, that's what you need to adhere to. Right, wrong or indifferent, they're going to stick to it. You might win in court but at what expense? The federal addition with the locks isn't really unreasonable. Shrug. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted August 28, 2009 Malsua.I didn't realize you quoted federal law. Sorry, yes. Sec. 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms Same as you. I realize now I had left the section number out inadvertently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caine 147 Posted August 28, 2009 Question: some of these quoted laws say "firearms AND ammunition" and others say "firearms OR ammunition". Which is it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted August 28, 2009 Question: some of these quoted laws say "firearms AND ammunition" and others say "firearms OR ammunition". Which is it? Federal law is "or", NJ police don't have any law to cite so they make it up as they go and went with "and" Remember the locks apply only to the same compartment as the driver which in most cases is a pickup truck, 2 seater or open hatchback type of vehicle. In that case, just lock it all up and you're good. The hassle of arrest and lawyers for the sake of a $5 lock just isn't worth it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caine 147 Posted August 28, 2009 Gotcha - thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coldsolderjoint 84 Posted August 28, 2009 Doesn't this law apply to interstate transport? So if you are staying in NJ, wouldn't unloaded in a a closed/securely tied package suffice? I suspect that if the NJ police are using the NJ law and the extra bit from the Federal law, that's what you need to adhere to. Right, wrong or indifferent, they're going to stick to it. You might win in court but at what expense? The federal addition with the locks isn't really unreasonable. Shrug. I totally understand reality, but I always like to get down to the actual law, because there are just too many untruths floating around and lots of new shooters who are scared that they will become felons without knowing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishpaw 17 Posted August 29, 2009 And they dont say what kind of lock either...technically one of those tiny luggage locks would suffice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites