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Glad you figured that out before you dove in!

Add a VFG, have an FFL pin the brace so it’s over 27”, and make it an “other”.* Use 10 round mags, add an optic, light, and sling and you’d have yourself a poor-man’s MP7. As to the 5.7 round - it’s fun and expensive. Terminal ballistics blow. Any cartridge you can get on the civy market will be garbage and inferior compared to much cheaper and easier to find .22 and .17 loadings. In the end, you’d probably have just as much fun (if not more) with this chambered in .22 for a lot less money. * IANAL: Double check with an attorney or FFL, but I am pretty sure that if you can make a pistol into a rifle, you can make a pistol into an other. Proceed at your own risk. Do not accept any gun-forum advice as legal or correct without verifying it.

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This is false. The subcompact Glocks (G26/G27 size) are inherently the most mechanically accurate pistols Glock makes - even with OEM barrels. You do not need a “marksman” barrel to get hits at 25 yards. You need to get training and practice. Short sights and short barrels don’t matter out to 25 yrds regardless of the gun. It’s the software, not the hardware.

Regardless, a qual is mandatory. So, instead of wishing for an easier test, work to be a better shooter. 25 yard shots with a 3” barrel is not a challenge - unless you never train at that distance. ETA: I just wanted to say that Pre-Covid, I was a member at @TacticalTrainingCenter. I went just about every other Wednesday evening after work for a couple years. For almost a year we ended up having almost an informal NJGF meet up there, with a mix of 4 or 6 forum members meeting on the regular. I have only been back a few times in the last 6 months or so, and in my experience, nothing has changed. The staff is as pleasant, helpful, and eager to share their knowledge and experience as they ever were.

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Anyone else attending? I went to his Shotgun class when he offered it a few years ago. Great class on a platform that there is not much out there for. Like all of Joe’s classes, it’s close, affordable, moderate round count, and excellent instruction.

I don’t know if I’d put a light on my head built by a company known for having their products burst into flames Just sayin…. I’m a fan of the Petzl Tikka line. ~$20-$30, comfortable, and can use recharge batteries or AAAs. Been using Petzl headlamps since the mid 90s when I was climbing a lot. They’ve been great. You don’t want more than 200-300 lumens on your head. A headlamp is the only time you don’t want “All the Lumens, all the time.” You end up constantly shining it in people eyes, and by the nature of where you are wearing it, any reflective surfaces bounce all the Lumens right back in your face. If you want more than a couple hundred lumens, use a handheld that you can angle and aim to prevent too-bright light bouncing back into your own eyes.

First - Please define what someone who is a “good shot” is. I bet my definition is a lot different than yours. What metric are you using to determine if a cop is a good shot or a lousy shot? Second - What data are you using to formulate this opinion that cops are all lousy shots? What data are you parsing that shows “cops can not shoot minute of man at 7yards”? Third - In your opinion, what process would adequately test a shooters proficiency? What should a cop (or anyone) be capable of with a firearm to satisfy your criticism? What’s your suggestion? The idea that all cops can’t shoot is frankly ridiculous. All NJ Police Officers are required by law to do the following regarding the carrying of firearms: • Train to realistic standards. ie: shoot on the move, use cover, shoot at moving targets, shoot in low light, participate in shoot/no-shoot or Force on Force situations • Pass a qualification consisting of a Day Time (full lighting conditions)and Low-light course of fire as prescribed by the NJ AG via the NJDCJ. They must pass this course of fire 2x a year with a minimum score of 80%. This qual course consists of 90-100 rounds (depending on if the agency uses HQC1 or HQC2) on an FBI Q target at ranges from 1 yard, out to 25 yards. • Police have to qualify on any weapon they plan on carrying on and off duty. There are separate day time and low-light qualification courses for other classes of firearms as well - such as shotguns, sub-guns, carbines, PDWs, and scoped rifles. Any agency can put further restriction in place (higher minimum passing score, restriction on gun type or caliber, etc…) or require more training if they wish. At the end of the qualification, if you don’t pass the qual, you are relieved of your firearm, placed in administrative status, given a time to train/practice, than an opportunity to qualify again. A failure then means termination. If you can’t shoot an 80% on the course, you can’t stay. Based on my observations at public ranges and teaching both civilians and cops to shoot For the last 18 years, I’ll bet that the average NJ cop can outshoot the average NJ gun owner on a HQC and HNQC test. In fact, I’ll bet that 75% of gun owners could not pass the entire police qualification course - the one that every working cop has to pass twice a year in addition to any training they participate in. I’ll bet another 10% of NJ gun owners will score in the 80% range, another 10% in the 90% range, and another 5% could clean the course and I bet the final 5% consists of shooters that can outshoot most cops by a fair margin by every measurable standard. The notion that “The cops who only shoot once or twice a year to pass that qualification are terrible shots.” is unsubstantiated unqualified nonsense. If they have to pass a qual 2x a year that the majority of non-cop shooters could not pass, just how “terrible” are they? Just because they don’t know what color the boathouse is at Hereford, does not mean they don’t have the skills to accomplish their jobs. No, not all cops are shooters. Not all Cops are even gun people. But they all meet a minimum standard of 80% 2x a year. Cops have to wear so many hats and be mandatorily trained on so many topics now-a-days that there isn’t enough time or money to make them all into DeltaRangerSEALsnipers or steely eyed killers. On the other hand - some cops shoot at the GM level in competition circuits. Some were/are members of SOF or SMU organizations. Some are attached to LE Agencies/Units/teams that require a higher standard than 80% 2x a year. Some shoot as a hobby and enjoy training with firearms, often spending thousands of dollars chasing high-end instruction form some of the best instructors on the planet. Some are in agencies that promote martial abilities, but some are not. It’s not as cut and dry as “all cops suck at shooting”. Part of what @GRIZ was talking about when he said “Shooting isn’t fighting” (outside of the mindset and tactics portion that makes up 90% of any gunfight) is an important distinction. Shooting a qual course and getting 100% does not guarantee you are a gunfighter, or will win a gunfight, or even hit your target in a deadly force situation. No one knows what will happen in the transition between shooting paper with your colleagues and friends under impossibly blue skies filled with cotton ball clouds, next to rivers of chocolate and trees that give beer, and when you are alone and fighting for your life with a very real possibility that you will die. This is not Cop specific and is a universal truth across the board including military, cops, competition shooters, bad guys, and armed citizens. Until you see the proverbial elephant, you don’t know how you will react to that level of personal danger. There is no test, no qual, no training that can predict that.

@GRIZ I agree. Qualification is a test, not training. However, if a qual is a prerequisite to carry, a particular firearm, you have to pass it with that gun. I can’t just carry my LCP because I want to. I have to demonstrate competency with it first. The State (NJ AG’s office, to be precise) has determined that in order to be deemed proficient with that firearm and be granted permission to carry it on my person in public, in an official capacity I have to pass the HQC and the HNQC.

In Middletown? Yes. Many neighborhoods that have been targeted by thieves are flooded with extra police. Including MTPD stationing marked cars at the GSP entrances where these thieves generally go to get back up North. Middletown Mayor has led the charge to change the laws and procedures that have made car theft so prevalent lately. He’s trying to get back to where police have the ability to stop them and give charges that stick. Why do you say “armed LEO”? Like police having guns is unusual or special?

@GRIZ there ya go again, bringing logic and sense into it. Don’t you know this is a gun forum. It’s all ‘bout feelings and opinion. Don’t go bringing facts into it! Sheesh! Some people’s kids!

I qualify with my Gen1 Ruger LCP .380 (the early model with the tiny bumps for sights) twice a year - each qual is 90 rounds total for the HQC and HNQC including 10 rounds at 25 yards and ~30 with a handheld flashlight. The shooting fundamentals don’t change with caliber or because they are pocket sized guns. Align the sights properly, work the trigger without disturbing your sight picture, and follow through. Thats not to say I don’t shoot my full size guns better* - because I do - I’m just pointing out that qualifying with small guns is doable if you stick to the fundamentals and do your part. * better = tighter groups with faster splits.

You’re right. Have a nice day.