Mossberg Model 500 HS410 Home Security--can red dot site be added?

[JimJinNJ 0]

I'm considering this rifle mainly as home defense.  Does anyone know if it can be outfitted with a red dot site?

Thanks.

[Krdshrk 3,877]

Yes - you can get a rail mount that goes on the top of the receiver - there are 4 screws at the top that would hold it on.  You can mount a red dot to that...

 

That being said - why do you feel you need a red dot?  Practice aiming down the barrel.  With shotguns it's point and shoot.

[T Bill 649]

That receiver is tapped?  I did not think so.......

[Krdshrk 3,877]

That receiver is tapped?  I did not think so.......

 

Oh I may be incorrect then sorry - I was assuming all receivers are tapped... maybe not then.

[JimJinNJ 0]

Thanks very much, Krdshrk.

to answer you question--I'm looking to buy my first weapon since I was 12.  I want it mainly for home defense.  I'm doing homework and casting about.  the 410 just looks like an interesting compromise for my situation.  Still considering .223 rifles as well. 

So, without having fired a shotgun in many years and never a 410, it seems like the site might add something, esp in a high stakes situation.  But any advice and coaching is readily accepted. 

ty agian

[Krdshrk 3,877]

You may want to look at one in person first to make sure the receiver is tapped (the 4 screws I was referring to).  T Bill brought up a good point that it may not be.

 

Note - if you're worried about overpenetration, a .410 may not be a good choice too.  I would say a rifle in .223 may be a better option.  Testing shotgun overpenetration vs rifle - .223 is more likely to fragment/stop after a couple walls than shotgun.

[JT Custom Guns 957]

We stock many Home defense shotguns including the HS-410

None of the HS-410's that I have seen (including the ones in stock) 

are drilled on tho of the frame so mounting a picatinny rail that way

won't be possible.

 

I think there are aftermarket mounts that attach from the side of the frame

and go over the top (similar to a AK mount) that can be purchased through

Brownells, Midway, ect.

 

Jim - If you want to see an HS-410 before purchasing, you are welcome

to stop by and take a look............

 

JT

[Krdshrk 3,877]

We stock many Home defense shotguns including the HS-410

None of the HS-410's that I have seen (including the ones in stock) 

are drilled on tho of the frame so mounting a picatinny rail that way

won't be possible.

 

I think there are aftermarket mounts that attach from the side of the frame

and go over the top (similar to a AK mount) that can be purchased through

Brownells, Midway, ect.

 

Jim - If you want to see an HS-410 before purchasing, you are welcome

to stop by and take a look............

 

JT

 

Saddle mount - http://www.midwayusa.com/product/340615/weaver-no-gunsmith-saddle-mount-for-mossberg-500-matte

[JT Custom Guns 957]

Thanks Nick - I just couldn't think of "Saddle" - lol

 

I believe the frames on the HS-410 are the same as the 500' so the mount

should fit with no issues........

[JimJinNJ 0]

thanks much to you for the info, Krkshrk and Jack.

point well taken on over penetration.  The config of my house, assuming a night entry situation, penetration is probably not an issue.  I don't plan to sweep my own place, just make sure no one can make up the stairs.

[Krdshrk 3,877]

Think of ammo capacities too - you're looking at 6+1 rounds of .410 vs 15+1 rounds of .223/5.56.  and a much faster reload with an AR...

[JimJinNJ 0]

i know from reading around the net this is a hot topic but.....how do you feel about .223 vs. 5.56 for home defense purposes?

(I have some experience with M16, although not recent.)

[Krdshrk 3,877]

They both will work - just get the right kind of bullet - I have Hornady Z-Max .223 in several mags + 5.56 77gr SMK in some others.  A M855/855A1 w/ the steel penetrator will go through several walls, while a soft point or polymer point bullet will go through less...

[JimJinNJ 0]

info from Mossberg--they say a normal red sight can be added.

 

they emailed me as follows:

"Thank you for your email. The HS410 can be equipped with normal 410 red sight applications. Thank you.

 

Joseph Onofrio
Product Services Coordinator

O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc.
203-230-5304 Office
203-230-5420 Fax"

[Old Glock guy 1,127]

Why .410?  Consider a Mossberg 500 12 gauge with an 18" or 20" barrel.  Ammo is cheap and plentiful, and probably more effective than .410.

[JimJinNJ 0]

good question and I have/am considering it.  That one is on my list (as well as the 410, 5.56).  I wonder if the 12 g is unwieldy and too much kick for middle of the night/intruder/adrenaline type situation.  I have much more experience with smaller long gun than with a 12 g.  but thanks for the comment.  always welcome.

I was intrigued by this post:

http://www.range365.com/410-as-home-defense-shotgun

[JayWilling 33]

I have a Mossy 500 12 ga. I put a Phoenix adjustable recoil reducing stock with integral pistol grip on it. If you pull it into your shoulder the recoil is greatly reduced.

For HD you probably want the shortest barrel you can get away with, and aiming down the barrel is probably going to be just as good as a red dot in interior residential situations.  Something else to consider if you want to mount something....perhaps a laser or tight beam flashlight. That would allow you to fire quickly without bringing the gun up to sight level.

[jeff47 30]

Im a big fan of the Mossberg 590 in 12ga with a knoxx recoil reducing stock and a Burris fast fire. Hornady TAP while pricey is liw recoil and low flash. I've run several classes with it. If I were to do it again I'd probably go with the ghost ring sights and the red dot. If it's for HD I'd certainly recommend equiping it with a quality light and mount. If there is one thing I've learned from shotgun classes, it's that watching someone's cheap light and mount go sailing during live fire is extremely entertaining, assuming it's not yours of course. . Good luck.

[Donobieus 15]

Just throwing my 2 cents in....But I bought the Mossberg combo set from JT Customs.  Comes with a 18" HD barrel as well as a 28" target barrel.  After spending around $60 on a nice pistol grip stock this thing is awesome!  Way less felt kick with target loads and buckshot.  No difference at all with slugs, they still suck.  lol.  For the price you cant beat it.  You get a fine home defense weapon as well as something you can go shoot skeet or trap with.  Look into it. 

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