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When you are dealing with pocket carry or, as I did daily, ankle carry, the lighter weight can make a big difference. I never found an issue with the weight with pocket or ankle carry on a daily basis. The extra few ounces didn't seem to encumber me but maybe that's just me.

I've carried just about daily for over 35 years. I have never found a paddle holster that was worth anything AFAIC. Paddle holsters seem to be made to accommodate people who want to get rid of a gun fast rather than carry it. There are some decent synthetic holsters out there but nothing beats leather in my book. I've found the best all around carry holster for anything to be the DeSantis Speed Scabbard (I prefer no thumb snap but they make it both ways). I used them for about 25 years and have one for every gun I regularly carry.

an out of state CCW should get us SOMETHING here, and automatic approval (upon request) for a draw and fire badge should be it. Again, just because you were approve for an out of state CCW license has NO bearing on their safety liabilities. Plus at a glance, if they, or I or any member see someone carrying on the property, we know your either, LEO, Military or experienced enough to do so.. Shooting the 3 matches are the club's rules so live with it. I retired from the Army Reserve (1970-2010), spent over 30 years as a LEO, nearly 35 as a firearms instructor,still certified by the state of NJ to train and qualify retired LEOs for their carry permit and LEOSA, can carry anywhere in the US under LEOSA and have my NJ carry permit and I have to shoot 3 matches to get my draw and fire badge. I think I have a few more qualifications than an out of state carry permit and I can deal with it. It's their rules and the way I see it they are entitled to make them.

I've had a J frame around for nearly 40 years. They are harder to shoot for the following reasons: 1. small sights (the older ones are worse, the newer ones aren't bad 2. small grip (can be remedied with decent grips but don't go too bog or you might as well carry a K frame). 3. short sighting radius (nothing you can do about that) 4. light weight = more recoil I am not a fan of airweights. The few ounces more a steel frame weighs makes a big difference in recoil and controllability. Alloy frame guns are not fun to shoot after 50 rds or so. Scandia frame guns are painful. Yes there are alloy frames that are +P rated but I guarantee you a steel frame gun will last longer before it needs a tuneup. There will be those that say the steel frame is too heavy to carry. All these big he men can't handle a few more ounces. I have carried steel J frames every way possible and don't feel the weight is excessive.

I have a 1918 mfg 1911 sn 419xxx how close is yours?

I have one I bought at Dick's on sale for $89 a few years ago. It runs 100%. I'd buy another moreso at the price you paid just to be able to buy a gun for $64.

Granted the pistol permits are a form of registration They are registration. All info goes into a database at NJSP.

What I am looking for is if it's comfortable to shoot with such a light frame. It can be painful with +P depending on the grips. The light weight is what makes it popular but also makes it harder to shoot. Recovering from the recoil will take extra time. There are those who will say it's a SD gun and at the short ranges it doesn't matter. As Ray said you won't want to shoot it much. I like to practice a lot with whatever I'm carrying. I prefer a steel J frame size gun. The 19-24 oz weight (depending on model) vs the 14 or so of an airweight makes a difference. I had a S&W 640 issued and liked it very much. It's DA only but I found the DA very smooth out of the box (those damn MIM parts again). It was 357 but I carried +P or +P+ in it. I could hit man size steel silhouette targets consistently at 100 yards.

This is a fine example of why Newark, will always be Newark.

I don't know why everyone is saying that revolver is a perfect first handgun. Unless shot single action, revolver trigger pull will prove extremely frustrating to a starting handgun shooter A DA revolver may not give instant gratification and immediate success but what does? I used to think I could shoot until I encountered my first DA revolver and learned how to shoot it. It is not that hard to learn and if you master the DA revolver everything else is easy. Millions have learned to shoot a DA revolver. I also think a DA revolver is a little safer than a semi auto for a new shooter. You can look at it and tell if its loaded. Can't do this with a semi auto. You mentioned that you want a revolver for strictly recreation purposes so I would suggest looking at a good .22 Caliber revolver. The reason? Cost. Agreed but if want it to be versatile, a 4' 357 is the way to go.

We're not talking about a temporary transfer here, we're talking about a permanent transfer. I was answering the post quoted in italics regarding temporary transfer.

I have decided I will start out with a revolver, Great choice as if you master the DA revolver everything else is easy. I guess I'm +20 or something to get a 357. A 4" 357 is about the best all around handgun you can do just about anything with. GP100 or 686 don't get a small frame revolver as a first gun.

Even then , technically there are no provisions for temporarily transferring the firearm to the prospective buyer unless you are at a range, hunting, or other specific situations. We went through this in another thread. and if the firearm is received, possessed, carried and used for the sole purpose of target practice, trap or skeet shooting, or competition upon that firing range or instruction and training at any location. It is not a stretch to say you are instructing and training the prospective buyer at any location.

illegal search? Nappen would have used that at the original trial. There I corrected it. Nappen may not be impressive in person but he's no dummy and would have gotten everything thrown out in a pretrial hearing if there was an illegal search. Yea ummm, only problem there is that I'm almost certain that judge's are immune from civil prosecution pertaining to the cases they handle. AFAIK this is correct. Who would take a job as ajudge if you could be sued for a decision you made. AFAIC Aitken is not loooking for justice. He knows an appeal to his criminal case would be lost. He is looking for money and that's it. I think he has no chance of winning but the insurance company for the Mt Laurel PD (if this is covered by insurance) and the city fathers there have to look at it this way. Aitken has no chance of winning but it will take $200,000 to fight this case. If we settle out of court for $50,000 it will cost us way less.

I can tell you that our active LEO's are grossly under trained and now with budget cuts, even more so. I've been a LE Firearms Instructor for about 35 years and I couldn't agree with you more. I started as a police officer in NJ and after the academy there was only semi annual qualification with your duty handgun. Although it wasn't required at that time the chief didn't even want to fund qualification with off duty guns. There was zero training or quals with the long guns the department had in inventory. This is contrasted by the federal agency I worked for. You needed to qualify with all handguns you carried quarterly. There was a requirement for 8 hours of firearms and tactical training each quarter. They had a minimum training requirement for all long guns and quarterly quals. If you didn't qualify with it you couldn't carry it. Use of long guns was encouraged (more on that later) and you had your choice of MP5, M16 (semi), M4, or shotgun (subject to available inventory). As an example, to be a MP5 instructor I had to have the 40 hour operator course and 60 hour instructor course. All sighted guns (MP5, M16, M4) were issued to you. If you were going to something where a shotgun was more appropriate you could draw a pool shotgun. The agency was willing to fund the time, ammo, and hardware for all this training. We didn't deal with active shooter incidents as local police do but there were other benefits to having all these long guns out there so no one gets hurt. If the bad guy sees 5 or 6 LEOs coming after him armed with handguns and he has a shotgun or rifle he may decide to fight. If he's faced with 2 MP5s, 2 shotguns, and a M4 he is more likely to give up as he sees it as a losing propostion. On one occasion I had a guy tell me "I ain't fightin' you, you got an AK 92". We had Steyr AUGs at the time. The idea opf patrol rifles is not to replace SWAT. Its to furnish you with the ability to take care of an issue. We shouldn't put ourselves in the position "if I had had a rifle...".

In a stress fire situation it has been proven LEO's do not think about bullet drop or to compensate for it. You need a flat shooting round that is good for 200 yards. Well, yes and no. This figure is about 5 or 6 years old but way back then the average range of shots taken by police "snipers" was about 77 yards. Well within the scheme of things with a pistol caliber carbine. However, I do think a 223/5.56 is a safer round to use as the round tends to disperse it's energy when it hits some hard and is a much better stopper when you hit the target. were exchanging fire from pistol caliber AR's in the parking lot at a decent standoff distance. In the heat of the battle the guys with pistols and AR pistol's never compensated enough for drop. As trained, they aimed for center of mass. A 5.56 round finally took him down in the mall. It's hard to comment on this without knowing what caliber and what the range was with the bullets striking yards in front of the BG. I think this was a training problem. I think the reason was they probably weren't taught to compensate for bullet drop at all. A 9mm 125 FMJ, 1300 fps zeroed for 100 yds is about 10" low at 150 yds and 20" low at 175 yds. If the guy was standing erect (?) this would mean a center mass aim would hit him in the thigh or groin at 175. At 200 yd the drop would be about 30". I wouldn't have called that a decent standoff distance, I'd call it out of practical range. You can't fault someone for not doing something they weren't trained for.

Does being in a parade constitute a valid reason for carrying a dagger ? 0 I think that qualifies as authentic ethnic costume accessory.

Wooden box, lol. That will stop a fire from spreading to the powder! Gotta luv the govt. A powder magazine is properly made from wood. The idea is if there is a fire the wood will give instead of containing the blast as metal would do. Anyplace that sells powder will have a wooden powder magazine. I think in NJ or my local town (I forget) anything over 36 pounds needs a wooden box...or something like that I think tha may be a state fire code as I heard the same (or thereabouts) when I inquired about ammo quantities to the fire dept.

Mages was transported to the Kinnelon Police Department and charged with unlawful possession of a loaded assault rifle, possession of a firearm without a firearm identification card and contempt of court. Yes they charged him but there doesn't seem to be any violation. Doesn't really make a difference here as he was going in for the assault weapon charge. A error by the police? Yes just as much an error as everyone who calls Aitken "man charged and he didn't break any laws". If you recall Aitken did have magazines over 15 rds. He is supposed to be an IT wizard who I'm sure could find such magazines are illegal in NJ from a relible source such as the NRA or NJSP website.

I can only assume much of their business is from NYCPD Trust me NYPD is not going out of NY to make straw purchases.

IMHO. If you need to shoot beyond the effective range of a shotgun + slug then you should call in SWAT or snipers. You can accurately shoot a slug pretty far... Yes but a rifle (223/5.56 or even a pistol caliber carnine) is much easier to shoot accurately and train someone with. We had MP5s, semi auto only M16s, and full auto and three round burst M4s where I used to work. I preferred the full auto M4. Better trigger and can do anything the MP5 could do. May people who wouldn't touch a shotgun were very comfortable with the semi M16s. Also take into account that raritan doesnt have its own school system, all its schools are in bridgewater which already has rifles. I think the patrol rifle concept has a lot of validity whether there are schools around or not. I can guarantee there would be some Raritan PD assisting Bridgewater PD if there was a serious incident there. Shooting slugs is fine but that's a big chunk of lead flying around if you miss. It doesn't take nearly as much to stop a soft or hollowpoint 223/556. I'll admit I got to shoot a lot of full auto 5.56 and 9mm for free but I think the use of full auto weapons for most LE is very limited.

Ruger11, on 03 March 2011 - 01:50 PM, said: Tried before,no go.Guy at Dunkleburgers told me if you can't buy it in NJ,you can't buy it here.You can buy bb guns,hi-cap mags (seperately)even black powder pistols.But if it's a gun with any NJ evil features like 30rd mag forget it.Private people with tables at shows will sell you anything. But you have to get the private seller to fill out the NJ Certificate Of Eligibility. I bet some of them would look sideways at that. There is nothing illegal about selling you a hi cap magazine, it would be illegal for you to being it back here or you canleave it out of state. I can understand why selling you the gun with the mag may be illegal but selling you the mag separately is okay. Buying from a private seller out of state is a felony for both you and the seller. Many NJ residents that had verboten guns and high cap mags moved them to their summer house in PA and that's perfectly legal also.

I wish I could have had the time to buy an older style 10/22 instead of these rotary style configuration ones. Always rotary mags in the 10/22. If you're looking for a 44 Ruger carbine with a tubular mag I may know someone.

I've shot 10/22s for over 40 years and have had zero problems with the magazines.

I don't know if you can feel a recoil difference but there is definitely something different that even my wife felt without me saying a thing. There are several things going on here. SAAMI 9mm is 35,000 psi, NATO is like 36,500, and +P is 38,500 psi. All max pressures. That's not to say some SAAMI ammo (the 115 say) is loaded to 32,000 psi and the NATO is loaded to 36,000 psi which would make the NATO give more recoil. Another thing is muzzle blast which bothers (or gets more attention from shooters) than recoil. If the 115 had more muzzle blast it would seem to give more "recoil". She may have been holding the gun a little different one magazine to the next which would affect her perception. You can go to this calculator, http://www.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp and play with some figures and see bullet weight and velocity play more of an influence on recoil than the powder charge. The difference in powder charge between a 115 and 124 is negligible. A 115 or 124 9mm round of the same spec (SAAMI. NATO, or +P) will genereally be so close in recoil there are other factors (such as muzzle blast) which changes your perception. [iYou can tell there is a difference][/i] If you're saying 115 or 124 and going to a 147 I agree. Calculate recoil on some known loads with chronogarphed velocities and you'll see what I mean. Big difference will be in the charge and type of powder you are using. A lower charge, heavier bullet with a slower powder such as WSF or N340 will be more of a push than a 115 gr loaded with W231 or N310, which are faster powders and will be more of a snap. This is true but there is no reason to go to a different powder going from a 115 to 124 gr and you can find a powder to load 115 to 147 grain.