mipafox

well, it's a dumb thread

F that. Norinco chinaman ammo. And AKs. This is what Trump should be doing. He can end almost all of our import bans all by himself. They won't be as cheap as they were 30 years ago, because they are not stupid and they have our number. But it still be really cool.

You don't surrender your OL. You don't even need one, but it is easier if you bring one to DOT. They punch a hole on the expiration date and give it back to you. I believe you are referring to federal regulation and ATF guidance that I brought up years ago. You will find that your mileage may vary with the Sheriff. They know exactly what is going on when a grown up walks in without a driver's license. Will some accommodate you? Perhaps, I don't know. Will some put you in jail for lying? Perhaps, I don't know. There is also a requirement to get a PA OL within 15 days of changing residency to PA. Guess where the Sheriff's first database search is? So which are you going to get busted for? Lying on the form or failing to change your OL to PA within 15 days? I have no doubt somebody, somewhere slipped through. If we didn't have NH, we would probably put together a list of Sheriffs and how they behave. But we have NH, so this is a bad idea. Buying guns from an FFL is one thing, lying on a LTCF application (or failing to change OL state) is quite another.

Don't talk to the sheriff's office, that's dumb. Unless you want to call them and tell them you have no OL and want to know what they require. You should be able to do that. But you think walking in without an OL won't bring up a red flag about residency? They know what you are doing and will check that first thing. Just get New Hampshire. Why is this so difficult?

You mates have been given enough notice to decide for yourselves if you want to give it some thought. Like I said, it's my obligation to put my brother on notice, not to argue with him. I think some modest precautions that take 2 minutes would be prudent. I want you guys armed when you come to my Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Heck, I want you armed in Jersey. Best of luck.

I do carry a different primary when I go to BBQs and when the Eagles are playing (for luck). Actually, I didn't do that last season My buddy upsold me a really nice holster for it so it has to see air once in a while. I wanted a POS but he knew I was a sucker for quality and eye candy. But Glock is EDC.

I doubt she can quote 10 words from the state constitution. And I certainly don't think she invoked it.

Or you get the trembling member.

I think you are right. I had people for that until recently. But you'll still get the quivering timber.

They say 5 years, but I don't think there is truly a statute of limitations on the Throbbing Knob.

Space herpes. Could also be muskrat. I've seen them up that way. For some reason I always see them in the crappiest areas that border wetlands. Or maybe I just spend too much time in the crappiest areas that border wetlands. My money is on space herpes.

Uncle Sam is not only robbing you, he's throbbing you.

Yes, unless this is a trick question. Are you covered by FOPA walking into an airport checking your gun within the realm of the 3rd Circuit? Are you covered walking from your apartment into a common area that is not your property where your car is parked? What would you have said about those things five years ago? Same as Nappen, Good to go! They intentionally revised FOPA to exclude state or origin or destination. The people that wrote it are on the record. How will it go in court? I have no idea. I was stunned by the airport thing. How will it go with a cop? I still have no idea. But there is peril, because the law was not meant to cover this.

100% bullshit. You cannot break the laws in your state of origin or your state of destination simply because you plan to cross a state line. Please look into this elsewhere before you make up your mind. You don't have to listen to me, either, just do your own research. This is so easy to get around that there is no reason to chant and wave bones over your gun and roll on a wing and a prayer just to make a point. Think about the people you give this advice to. The dozens of people here that said it is legal to carry your gun to an airport against state laws, and the courts have decided you can't. You can say everybody is wrong, including the people that wrote the law, except for the people on an NJ gun forum who are right. But think about the peril you are exsposing people to. At least tell them there is some uncertainty, since nobody in the country agrees with you. I gotta get outta this because you guys always get pissed when this comes up.

You asked two different questions. 3rd Circuit "passed a law" (yes I said that) that having a gun on foot for any reason is settled business. It is not covered under FOPA. Including checking it in at an airport. Crossing a state line, or saying you will, only some people in Jersey will say FOPA protects you in your state of origin or destination. NOBODY else believes that. It is the refuge of the desperate and oppressed. Oh, then there's Nappen. How many of you were told by Nappen that carrying a firearm into an airport was covered by FOPA? I remember quite a few that got that legal advice from him personally. Did you get your money back? So don't pull that shit. Make up your own mind. Like I said, it's your ass, not mine. I don't have a horse in this race. Where we hail from, we have a code. We tell people when they are screwing up. We don't argue with them, or pester them, we just leave it at that. Perhaps you have a different opinion, have at it.

This is silly. Just carry it like you always do. If you are wearing a ski suit, yeah, maybe it won't come out as fast. But chances are you'll be happy you had it if you needed it. If some whacko or criminal starts shooting or robbing people it may not be an immediate gun in your face scenario. Would you rather have a gun or not have one? If you are worried about falling on it, well, you can fall on rocks, slam into trees, or simply break your leg if you are doing it right and pushing the limits. That's what skiing is about. Do you leave your keys and phone in the car? Ski suits also have external pockets. Consider a pocket gun. They are useful for more than skiing. You can keep your hand on them ready to draw in everyday life, without drawing attention, and they will be presented faster than anything else as such. I don't consider being armed a liability, even if it is not the most ideal measure, and even if I fail. You ever heard of your life flashing before your eyes? I don't want that to be about all the guns I own but left home. Whether they would have made a difference or not. I don't want to die feeling like a dumbass. Or watch my family die while I can't even try. That will never happen.

And I don't have to worry about rolling around on the concrete with it or banging into something and scratching it. That's about it.

Yeah, I was kinda sloppy.

It's light, it makes lots of holes in things, and I don't have to worry about what ammo it will feed. It's not perfect, but it serves its intended purpose well.

You're correct on all points.

FOPA was specifically changed during legislation so that it would not protect you in your state of origin or destination. Clearly, they didn't do a great job of it. You want to believe that, go ahead, but make up your own mind and don't take this guy's word for it. Heck, third circuit ruled FOPA does not cover you taking a gun into an airport to check it because you are on foot and not in a vehicle. Who saw that coming? It's not that hard to have a plan to go to a range in PA and evidence of such. Such as a print out from their website, a membership, a google routing map, some targets in the trunk, basically anything. I think it's worth it. You can say I am wrong, and the chances are minute, but the preparation is minimal and the consequences are life altering. It's your ass, not mine, believe and do what you want.

You actually just suggested in this discourse that emails are more effective than phone calls, whether you meant to or not (I think you did). I could not disagree more. Engaging staffers DOES work, especially when you get them to work for you. Emails don't do that, they get boilerplate responses. Legislators listen to their top staffers to check wind direction and that shit flows uphill. If you really want to send an email, and they won't accept them, why don't you look up a proper zipcode? It's not rocket surgery. We may not vote for some of these people but they sure as hell spend our money and pass our laws so they are going to listen to me.

Loose nut at the rear of the stock.

It's a baby step. But why? I don't think he gives a crap about us. This signals something about his political aspirations. Unless, maybe all our canvassing of him has made him see the light that carry in 47 states causes no problems. I still think he would not care. It's time to get to work, contact reps. Including PHONE CALLS and requiring them to get back to you with answers to difficult questions to keep their staff engaged. Only takes 10 minutes a week to keep the dialog going.

20 years here, don't cry to me! Safe Harbor is your best friend and worst enemy.