Holeshot

I did not take this class but I did take a class in Pittsburgh, PA by Mr. Vickers and I used 30-round mags. I borrowed them from a friend in PA. I think I was the only one from NJ taking the class so I was not sure if the 15-round mags were going to be an issue or not. Interestingly enough there was a gentleman ( a PA resident) who was using 20-rounders in the class and he ran out of mags on one of the drills. Mr. Vickers asked him why he was using 20-round mags and the gentleman responded that he was non-leo and that he shouldn't need more than 20 rounds to "get the job done" in his own words. Mr. Vickers bellowed at the guy "Your an Idiot!, get some 30-round mags!" We all went quiet and the guy looked shell shocked and then Mr. Vickers cracked a smile at us and said "I bet he was expecting that answer." LOL Anyway, I figure as NJ non-leo it is probably better for us to run these drills (if allowed) with multiple 15-rounders like Checko did.

Excellent review HE! I see you have quite an extensive training resume with the top instructors in the industry so it is nice to know we have a geat instructor in our backyard.

Sounds good

gator bites and ribs sound good too!

Drez, How about we figure it out over a pulled pork sandwich and a side of fire roasted corn? I was wanting to shot the intermediate course but I honestly don't care what group I am in to keep it simple.

Great looking dog

Congratulations! Good luck to you all! I am sure Chester will be much, much, happier in his new home!

Yes sir, I am in.

I hear what you are saying but like you said people don't always know. My Wife and I attended this event: http://www.nj.com/hunterdon-county-democrat/index.ssf/2013/08/frenchtown_police_host_nationa.html Now of course Frenchtown is not Camden but I think Chief Al does a great job staying involved with the community with various outreach programs. If you look at the pics in the link Hunterdon County SWAT was there with a display as well. Lots of smiles and handshakes, good stuff for sure.

"That's pretty low, Mister! If I had a rubber hose, I would beat you..."

Right on Drez, count me in.

Back on topic. I say good for the trooper and I would not want to ever get pulled over by the Bergen County PD. Yikes!!!

HE, Didn't you get the new SOP? You will probably hear about it when you get to work tonight. All MV stops must now include flash-bangs and smoke tossed into the stopped vehicle for officer's safety. =@ =@

No of course not. I cannot touch the end of the barrel through the FSC556 but I can put my pinky into the end of it. Same as the BCM Comp.

Why wouldn't the NJSP instead say to use the PWS TTO with no flash suppressing tangs? Let's use a 16" barrel not a 14.5" for these examples.

Not trying to be. Just trying to point out that there is no "official" test or written guideline. You referenced HE's post. I respect him and have no reason to not believe him or his conversation. If you were in court and they called upon a NJSP LT in the ballistics unit as an expert, I would say you would have a hard time proving otherwise. Anyway in the post he says that he was told the "pinky test" was a good guideline. He also stated that the PWS FSC556 is good to go in NJ. I can put my pinky finger into the end of the PWS FSC556.

Just remember to apply the completely made up NJGF "pinky test" and you will be safe. Lol It is no wonder why we are in the shape we are in.

Paracord gone wild!

I got a set for you Igor off a Colt carbine. If you want them let me know.

I don't know guys but I am having a hard time with all the negative posts in this thread. I really don't like typing too much but I too could post dozens of stories of personal interactions with various LEO, Good and Bad. If anyone gives a s**t , I would be happy to sit down over a cold one and share them with you sometime. First off this is the NJGF and I believe it was created to allow fellow NJ firearm enthusiasts a place online to interact and talk about and share their knowledge of firearms. What a great idea! We have a group of folks on here from a vast background of occupations and education but I believe they all share in the love of firearms. I think that we can all agree that there are people who lack integrity in all walks of life no matter what their job is. Regardless of your occupation, you are either a person of integrity or you are not. Vlad and Highexposure often share their knowledge on this forum to not only long time members but also to a lot of new ones as well. I am not asking anyone to blindly agree or give in to another's statements, however as we are all supposed to be firearms enthusiasts maybe we can all agree to disagree and move back towards finding some common ground. "If you come at me with your fists doubled, I think I can promise you mine will double as fast as yours. But if you come to me and say 'Let us sit down and take counsel together'....we will presently find that we are not so far apart after all." - Woodrow Wilson

How's it work down in the narrows?

This is what I have seen as well. There are also some great classes run out in York,PA too, but again MIL or LEO only.

Ok maybe I will see you up there one day.

Budapest?

If you ever get the chance try "The Whopper" at this place