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In the unlikely event that you are stopped by the law, how would they ever know that you are transporting firearms? You would need to volunteer that information OR they would need a search warrant.

I would argue that in a ziploc bag is not "readilly accessible." You have to open the ziploc bag and load the magazine. Depending on the interpretation of "readily accessible" or "directly accessible," NJ legal may satisfy the restrictions of FOPA. However, I would only argue it in theory; I would not want to argue it in court or to an officer at a routine traffic stop. Even intrastate, I keep everything out of sight--no one needs to know what I am doing.

If the vehicle does not have a trunk then I generally transport in a securely tied package of some sort. [sarcasm]But never with loaded magazines, because everyone knows that a loaded magazine is actually a loaded gun.[/sarcasm]Always with ammo in magazines (magazines not in gun). By the plain language of the statue, you could place your pistols, loaded magazines (outside of the pistols) and ammo in a ziplock bag on the passenger seat and you are legal. Personnaly I prefer to keep them out of sight: I am pretty sure that if I do get pulled over and the officer sees firearms--especially in a ziplock bag--or even a range bag in plain sight there will be further questions and things might go bad. In the case of a traffic stop, the fact that I am going to/from the range or transporting arms and ammo is way more information than the officer needs to know.

So I had been thinking about getting an AR--considering Stag model 8, but debating whether I should wait until I can flee PRNJ and not have to worry about complying with our stricter laws and "evil features." Now that it is impossibe to find anything that is not backordered for months, I wonder if that was such a great idea. And not knowing the possible future gun laws/bans that might come down (I am optimistic, but wishing to hedge). What do people recommend? So far I find very little available online in 5.56. Is it worth getting on a waiting list when they are talking about one-year backorder, and good luck even finding a waiting list. Any local NJ shops likely to have anything available? Or might it be easier to start buying parts to build it myself? Or just wait for everything to blow over and hope for no significant changes in federal/NJ law? Thanks!

I have a Taurus poster of her hung up in my cubicle. Says "Carry on" on the top and she is holding a PT 1911. Cost me $9 US for the Taurus infomag, but it was worth it.

What the hell are you talking about?

I also mentioned walking to the range, but I mis-underestimated the time involved--I am a litttle sleep deprived right now. I did correctly state that it would be an all-day undertaking though, and carrying all the weight for 8 hours would suck. The biggest problem I see with walking or biking is that it increases the time spent in transport, where--if something unexpected happens--you may have a problem. My biggest worry is if I get hit by a car and need to go to the hospital. If I am conscious then I would contact someone to pick up my gear and bike and take it directly to my home. But if I am not conscious, what happens when LE inventories my gear? While I am sure everything would work out in the end, it might take awhile and $$ to fix it. It is really a shame that there are not enough ranges such that they would be a walkable ditance for most people.

There was an NHL Lockout? I must have missed that Go Seahawks!!!

I am just shooting pistols, so I will bring my 1911, Beretta 92, or both and a 1-2 hundred rounds of each caliber. Gives me incentive to shoot all my rounds to make the return trip a bit easier. If I were going to bring long guns/ammo I would need to get a decent trailer or maybe a longtail like a Burley Big Dummy. I was thinking about walking it--it is about 16 miles each way, so that would make a range trip pretty much an all-day affair. But I had not considered the weight--even with just the 9mm it would be quite a haul so I might reconsider that. But maybe I will give it a shot this summer (no pun intended). I had not even consider the GFSZ issue though--I guess I better google schools on the route. I know that if I drive to Brick, one route goes right by an elementary school. Does the zone include any school district property--such as bus garages?

I ride my bicycle to the range--about 16 miles--quite often. Just follow the transport laws. "shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported." Take note of the use of the word 'or.' By the letter of the law you could tie it up in cellophane or a clear plastic case--as long as it is secure--but there is no sense in drawing unwelcome attention. I usually place my guns in their cases and inside a pannier that is zipped. Just do not make any unnecessary stops or deviations--"travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances."

I really do not have a problem with the PD verifying the information I put on the form--assuming the form is legit. That being said, I think the whole process is ridiculous and probably unconstitutional. I don't fault the LPD for due dilligence--now there are far easier ways to verify where I live, but maybe Bayonne PD rolls old school. Residence verification seems like a minor inconvenience compared to fingerprinting and notarized release forms. I just received a "character" reference for a friend and they ask "what kind of person is he?" What the heck kind of question is that? I really did not know what they were looking for, so I just put "U.S. Citizen" but I have not verified that. Then they ask if he has ever committed or been convicted of a crime. How am I supposed to know that? This is the Police asking me, shouldn't they know if the guy is a criminal? I just put that I do not know for everything else.

Are they merely doing the background investigation to verify that you live where you say you live--no mention of guns or anything of a personal/confidential nature. Granted there are less intrusive and less costly ways to do this, but I do not see why it would not be allowed. It is not like they are asking you for additional references, or asking you extraneous questions.

If I were going to enlist today, I would definitely go with the Marines--I think they are the toughest and most badass. I think that if you want the best odds of staying alive and/or maximizing comfort: USAF or Navy (especially if you can get yourself deployed onboard a carrier). Air Force was formed 18-Sep-1947 and we have not won a war since.

I wonder if he had time to think "Oh sh!t, maybe this wasn't my best move were" before the whole thought processes came to a halt. I mean I have done some really stupid stuff, and usually my last thought as I do it is "I ma pretty sure that was a bad idea" but at that point it is too late. Luckilly the consequences have never been even close to this. So I wonder if there was time for the realization that he is an idiot to reach his consiousness

"The retailer says the change comes out of respect for the victims and families of last week's massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary." This makes no sens to me. How does this action respect anyone? Here is an idea for Dick's--suspend sales on everything, maybe that will help. I used to like the big Dick's--like the one near Freehold mall, that one is huge. But I found them to be a bit overpriced on most items. And as I read about all the problems people have had, I start to avoid them. For outdoor equipment (not necessarilly firearms) I really like REI's flagship store in Seattle, but it is not real convenient to get there.

If someone has little/no knowlege of firearms--and it just takes a very basic understanding--they seem to have this idea that SA is some war-machine/weapon -of-mass-destruction only-made-for-killing that no mere citizen should own. This is what the MSM tells everyone. I heard someone on NPR this morning describing how a SA will fire every time you pull the trigger, just as fast as you can pull the trigger, so it is practically a machine gun! So people who have little interest in arms and/or our constitutional rights (i.e. almost everyone) just buys that crap and thinks we should get these killers (the guns) out of the hands of the people--because eventually they will just be used for mayhem. Not sure how to change that, other than educating people you know and supporting groups and the few media outlets that do educate and report factually.

It comes down to basic respect for the people around you. I always figure no one wants to hear me talking on the phone. So I will either take a call and try to move to a more remote area, like outside if I am in a restaurant. I hate it when people take calls in a restaurant. Or I just don't take the call. If someone is talking on the phone in a loud voice nearby I will usually just start repeating everything they say--as if I am on my own phone call. I guess that is obnoxious but maybe it helps get the message across.

Americans are not saving enough because they (right or wrong) believe social security and other govt programs will take care of them. It is the very govt sponsored programs that are meant to take care of the poor which give an incentive not to worry, not to save. It is a moral hazard. If SS did not exist (or if it really were just a means-tested insurance program) people would have the needed incentive to make their own arrangements for retirement. If people know up front that the govt is not necessarilly going to pay you in old age, many more would take care of it themselves. I can see the govt providing something for those who truly have not been able to save, or have had poor investment performance, but you make that level of support low enough that people have great incentive to not rely on it. I don't see the govt seizing private property any time soon--if you think people get passionate about 2A rights, wait till you start taking their hard earned money.

I will thank you now for the suggestion. I have been considering the 500 also. I do like the UTAS better than the Keltec.

I am looking for a HD shotgun. I have been reading about KelTec's shotgun and the reviews I have read seem pretty good. Holds a lot of ammo and looks pretty compact. Anyone have experience with this? And is it NJ legal? http://www.keltecwea...s/shotguns/ksg/ Thank you!

+1000 Based on your posts, you and I probably disagree on almost everything political/government related. That does not mean we cannot carry on a civil discourse and disagree without resorting to ad hominem attack. When someone resorts to name calling, I just assume it is because their argument is weak and they have nothing left. Plus you never know where you might find common ground.

I agree, just sayin that I could see someone bringing suit on this basis, and using the specious argument that this is a constiutional right denied--I mean look at how they tried to intimidate Joey Vento of his free speech rights at Geno's Steaks. And now--thinking through how that would play out--I think the owner is an advertising genius, and a lawsuit would probably be great for business.

I think he meant mad, as in crazy. No need for ad hominem attack against W, and it is kind of a non sequitor anyway. Does anyone think there may be constitutional issues involved with this though? Is there a constitutional basis to force a retailer to do business based on the 2A rights of the customer? Businesses can practice "censorship" to some extent, but many retailers and malls are seen as a place of public accomodation where discriminatory practices are illegal, and some businesses are even prevented from banning certain demonstration/speech if it is deemed a quasi-public space, or place of public accomodation. I can sympathize with the business owner's rights, but is he also violating the 2A rights based on political ideology?

Well to Bloomberg's credit, I heard that those NG were also packing some 32 Oz sodas. It really was not about the guns.

No I said that. I think plate scanners, comnbined with GPS and computer databases, can be used in a ways that would present clear 4A issues--would violate our reasonable expectation--similar argument as the SCOTUS ruling in U.S. v. Jones.