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"NJ has a 15-round limit, which is already more restrictive then every other state except the Democratic strongholds of NY, CA, MA, and CT" Tie it to politics.

Done

The bill can be found here. So you need show proof you have completed a Firearms Safety class to get a FPID or P2P. Doesn't sound like you need to complete a class for every submission, or that it expires. It also mentions that the class can be taught by the NRA or other agencies but both the agency and the class must be approved by the "superintendent" My thoughts: What is required to approve an agency or class? This would need to be well enough defined to avoid an arbitrarily high bar. Of particular concern would be if the class requires the attendee to bring their own firearm as the Chicken/Egg scenario creates a barrier for new owners. Personally, while I'm a fan of training and I think every owner SHOULD take training I don't think it should be a requirement.. I think most people would WANT to take a class if offered at convenient times/locations and costs. The State would be better off providing discounts to training courses or vouchers (simialr to the child locks) or allowing a firearm safety class to reduce homeowners insurance (similar to a Defensive driving course). This would incentive the class and make it a benefit for everyone.

Which bill? Sorry, can't follow along live at work.

No.. but he might bring his jazz flute..

I thought this was the interesting bit.. Basically calling out the people that voted for the legislation and stating that while they wrote themselves an exemption, Barrett won't recognize it.

If you go to the <a href="http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/">Legislature page</a> and then click on the 1pm Assembly Session it will bring up the list. For some reason you can't like to it directly. Looks like 20 proposed bills

Did it yesterday, and others.. never got a reply from any of them.

From a quick search the only reference I can find where online or out of state sales are prohibited had to do with tax collection (tobacco and gambling) or franchise laws (cars). Firearms is the only other thing and that's regulated federally not state.

I actually think the F2F bill is one of the easier ones for non gun owners to wrap their minds around. Banning online sales? Does anyone buy anything at a brick and mortar store anymore? Everyone uses amazon and can relate to the price differences. Also most online/care log sales cross state lines. That has to jam up against federal jurisdiction somewhere. How is it legal to dictate where one gets a legal-to-own product?

Doesn't, and shouldn't aren't the same thing.. My point was more that F2F and online already have the "increased accountability" the OP mentioned in the letter.

Technically this is required already, isn't it? To be compliant with NJ law all vendors.. B&M or online, have to verify that the buyer has a FID

This. From what I remember reading the proposed bill it is not meant to cover something YOU do accidentally with YOUR firearm in your home.. as others have mentioned this is usually covered under existing homeowners insurance (for accidents anyway). This bill does two things: 1) You are liable for ANYTHING done with a firearm you own. If it is stolen, not reported, and used for a crime then YOU are liable for the damages from that crime. 2) Once liability is established in #1, you are required to have insurance to cover that liability. This is not normal homeowners insurance.. this is something NEW, which is why it is believed it will be expensive. This bill is bad on MANY levels.. it establishes liability, it uses that liability as a huge stick for reporting stolen firearms, and it requires insurance to protect against it's self-installed liability.

Yup... While it brings up some good points about urban problems it is too bad it wraps them around anti-gun drivel.

Ok. 14 min in not so much. Oh we'll.. Not sure why I thought there would be neutral or pro 2a on PBS.

If its true the it just creates more allies to help beat these back

Documentary on guns in America is on PBS now. 6- min in its relatively even handed.

Assault Spork?

Asshot gun?

Didn't he already set up a Task Force? Why would he set up another one?

And it was only an 8-page bill. That's what, one, trip to the men's room after lunch? If you don't have time to read an 8-page bill you need to gtfo and find a new job.

You're still talking about the snake, right?

If the media's portrayal of the interview is anything like how they portray everything else then I put no faith in the article.. the quote could be way out of context.. or not.. who knows.

So bring it up if someone talks to him. Call him on it. "I appreciate you taking the time to talk with me and other gun owners. It SOUNDS like you are trying to get educated on both sides of the issue. I'm concerned by your quotes in the NJ.com article that state "...." however. How do you rectify your two conflicting statements? Now that claim to see the futility of these bills will be voting against them on Thursday? How will these conversations change how you act?" Don't trust him. But talking isn't necessarily a bad thing.

So technically a person could Lease a 3'x3' section of a family member's basement for $1 a year to hold a safe you provide.. as long as there is a written lease agreement it would qualify under what you mentioned above?