Dr. Goodshot

Well it seems that last time I looked, which may have been some number of months ago, all the stores were listed. So they were probably an authorized dealer when you bought it, depending on when you bought it...

I wonder why there are hardly any Smith & Wesson authorized dealers listed on the S&W website any more. If you go to the dealer locator at https://www.smith-wesson.com/ and type in a North Jersey zip code, say 07104, and pick a radius of 100 miles, it shows only two authorized dealers: Bullet Hole and a place called G3 Unlimited. A year ago or so I'm pretty sure that if you put in that zip code it would list all the places in the area, RTSP, Ottomanelli's, Bullet Hole, the other RTSP, and whatever else is around. Now it's saying there's only those two for 100 miles. What happened?

Did he explain why?

Try here. Dig through the threads until you find the post that says "Sorry for the Dropbox link"

Thanks. That is what I figured. It is just strange that they don't say that anywhere on their website. They should let the world know that there are 10-round mags available for those of us in magazine capacity ban states....

Thanks for that information. That is exactly what I was wondering.

I bought a Glock 19 last year, and it came with three 10-round magazines. The Glock website says that the standard magazine capacity for Glock 19 is 15 rounds, yet this gun shipped with 10-round magazines to be NJ compliant. What I'm wondering is, if Glock 19 ships with 15-round mags, where did these 10-rounders come from? Does Glock ship their guns with 10-round magazines only to stores in NJ to be compliant? That is funny because their website doesn't say anything about that, it just says the standard is 15 rounds. It doesn't say "15 rounds but 10 rounds for those in NJ". Or does Glock ship 15-round mags and then gun stores do modifications on the magazines before they hand them over?

Thanks for this warning.

So if people can show a screenshot of their digital FID, then can I just show a picture of my paper FID on my phone instead of bringing in the original copy? You know, like if I want to buy ammo or a rifle?

If you buy a gun from an out-of-state dealer and they ship it to your FFL, sure you purchased the gun from them but I would still say the purchase isn't complete until you take possession. As for receiving a gun as a gift, where it's not a purchase, note that the law doesn't only talk about purchasing. 2c:58-2a(7) also says that "a dealer shall not knowingly deliver more than one handgun to any person within a 30-day period." But I imagine you will argue that this says "A dealer," so you perhaps believe that you could have a gun transferred to you one day, then the next day have the gift gun transferred to a different dealer, and have that dealer do the background check and transfer the gun to you less than 30 days after you got the first gun. But from what I understand the State Police looks at the transfer date on your permit, and if it is less than 30 days after the date on the previous permit, they might give you a call and say "Hey, what's up?" I guess you would then argue that "hey, I didn't PURCHASE two guns in 30 days. One was a gift. And no dealer knowingly delivered me more than one gun within 30 days so what's the problem?" I suppose you could argue that based on the way the law is written, but that's certainly not the way it's practiced from what I understand, so you would probably want to have a good lawyer on retainer if you wanted to try this.

Well maybe think of it this way. "Purchase" means I give you some money and you give me a thing in return. If I hand you some money then leave, I haven't purchased anything, I've just handed you money. So I've only purchased something from you once both things have happened: I give you money, then I take my object home. So if I leave a pile of cash with my gun store then come back 29 days later to get my gun, the act of "purchasing" isn't complete until my gun is in my possession and I'm driving away from the gun store. Perhaps if we consider the literal definition of "to purchase," that might explain why the transfer date is the only thing taken into consideration for purposes of calculating 30 days.

Yes, this makes sense. It explains the part of the law that says that an applicant must be of "good character and good repute in the community." This provision makes absolutely no sense whatsoever today, but probably sounded reasonable back in the old times when everyone knew everyone else in town.

Yet all the NJ gun rights groups choose not to do anything about this at all. They do nothing to challenge the permit system, and would rather spend all their energy on less important things like magazine capacity. Would you rather have a gun that is limited to 10 rounds, or get killed because you have no gun at all because you're sitting around waiting for the corrupt and incompetent police department to issue your permit?

If I moved to NJ from, say, California in the last ten years, then when I apply for an FID they send a letter to CA asking if I've ever been thrown into a looney bin in that state. So if I go to apply for subsequent permits, it would be silly of them to ask CA again, since they've already told them that I haven't, and I haven't lived in that state since my first application. So why don't they just look in their files and see that the query has already been answered? They should, but I have a feeling they don't.

When you apply for a permit to purchase a handgun, and you already have an FID, do you have to do the entire process again? I understand that you don't have to get re-fingerprinted, but do they send the mental health check again to the states you lived in before New Jersey? I mean, if they already got that information from those states, isn't it in their files? I obviously haven't been committed in another state if I haven't been back to that state since coming to NJ. Also, do I have to get two references again like I did the time before? Other than fingerprinting, what else is different when you apply for the permit after you've gotten an FID? Do they use the information they already have in their files?

Do you think they might also bring back the Model 15 one day?

Wouldn't it also be a good idea to go after the FID card rules and the permit to purchase requirement? In most states you can just go to a gun store and do a background check. You do not have to apply to a police department for permission to own a gun. And the PD can take as long as they want. Is anyone working on that, and what would it take to bring down this system? Do some gun owners like the system because it keeps the nuttier element from building arsenals? If so, OK fine, but there should at least be a way to prevent the PD from taking seven months to process your permit.

The credentials listed on his website do not say anything about a medical degree. He seems to have a PhD in psychology, but no MD. https://gpirelli.com/?page_id=959 https://gpirelli.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Dr.-Pirelli-CV.pdf

Note that the statute (2C:58-3 c(3)) says that a person with some kind of defect or disease must produce "a certificate of a medical doctor or psychiatrist licensed in New Jersey, or other satisfactory proof, that he is no longer suffering from that particular disability in such a manner that would interfere with or handicap him in the handling of firearms." I have seen this interpreted as meaning that you need a letter from a physician, a doctor, such as a psychiatrist, NOT a psychologist. So it is very lucky to find a psychiatrist who will do this for $750. I would imagine though that Dr. Pirelli, who I believe is a psychologist and not a medical doctor, should probably count as "other satisfactory proof."

OK, but what is the difference between the products described in the article, and US LawShield, which IS sold in New Jersey? They all seem to be the same thing: they cover legal expenses in case of a self-defense incident, right? Secondly, what law says they can't sell these things in NJ? I understand there's some sort of executive order to that effect, but no actual law was ever passed was it?

As far as I can see though, the NJ statute does not seem to say anything about transporting ammo, at least not as far as I can find. I don't know where the ammo and the magazine part on the NJSP website came from.

OK, but what difference does the weight of the projectile make? How does that affect me when I'm shooting? What practical result does it have in the real world or at the range?

Looking at the laws and at what folks have posted, it's pretty clear: according to the statute, the case does not need to be locked, and if it's in a fastened case that isn't locked, it doesn't even need to be in the trunk. You could theoretically throw a naked gun with no packaging in the locked trunk. So by putting a fastened case with no lock in the trunk, I'm already going above and beyond the statute. The interstate transportation laws say it has to be in the trunk or, if there's no trunk, locked in a case. This is stricter than the NJ statute. The contradiction that Mr. Stu mentioned is in the State Police website where it says, "Firearms shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and or ammunition shall be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or center console and kept farthest from the driver." The first line comes from the NJ statute, and the second comes from the interstate transportation law, and contradicts the first. But still, I can see why a person would want to go a little above the exact statute just to be on the safe side. When I bought a gun in California a few years ago, I went overboard trying to prove to myself and anyone who might ask how serious I was about gun safety. I put a cable lock AND a trigger lock on the gun, then put the gun in a case and locked the case with a padlock, and threw the whole thing in the trunk. Now that I think about it, that might have been a little excessive, because how do you keep track of all those keys?

What you say clears up a lot. The NJ statute just says "fastened case" OR "locked in trunk," but the NJSP website states that then randomly adds the FOPA part about how if you don't have a trunk you have to keep it in a locked case. I always wondered why those two statements on the State Police website contradict each other.

I'm actually just planning on driving it home from the gun store. So if you bought a new Glock and you had a car with a trunk, you would feel pretty comfortable just transporting it home in that case without any lock on it? Or would you wanna be extra cautious and move it to a lockable case anyway?