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Zero. 1. Their isn't enough votes to override the vetoed sections of the bill. 2. The bill wouldn't even be considered for another vote since the "centerpiece" elements have been removed. Dead. Wrong. There won't be any lame duck legislators after the November election. Very little will change in the state unless the Governor Christie has some very long coattails. Besides, who would enact revenge? The same people that already voted once for the legislation? Governor Christie already said he didn't see the need to change the magazine capacity on firearms.

Never happen. He'll take action on it one way or the other.

You are incorrect. Temporary transfers for hunting and target shooting have not changed.

Expect Christie to appoint his good friend Joe Kyrillos to the US Senate seat.

The fact that any judge, legislator or gun-control activist believes that shooting a firearm is primarily an in-home activity validates either their stupidity or their unconstitutional views on freedom and liberty. Any denial of this fact by the judiciary; that the right to keep and bear arms inside and outside your home is an attempt to delay and discourage the law-abiding from legally exercising their God-given right of self defense.

He can conditionally veto a bill. He can object to a certain section of the bill and add his own amendments. The legislature would have to re-vote on the changes and send it back to the governor.

The Senate is split 24 - 16. Senator Sweeney only needs 21 votes to move a bill. Every Republican Senator can vote against the bill and 3 Democrat Senators voting "No" as well and the bill moves. Which Democrat besides Van Drew is going to vote "No"? I'm not so sure every Republican will vote against the bill.

http://www.politickernj.com/63060/governor-will-not-attend-2nd-amendment-rally-friday Gov. Chris Christie has declined an invitation to speak at a Second Amendment rally scheduled for tomorrow in Trenton. Frank Fiamingo, the president of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society that is sponsoring the rally, said he was told by the administration the governor ‘sends his regrets. Fiamingo had invited the governor to speak at the rally and said the governor told him he would love to attend. Fiamingo said he then spoke to an administration scheduler who he said confirmed the governor’s attendance, “barring a last minute scheduling conflict.” A spokesman for the administration denied that Christie had ever confirmed his attendance, saying the governor gets hundreds of requests to speak and not all can be honored. “The governor is a very busy person and he has a lot on his plate,” Fiamingo said. “There could be something else that takes precedence.” Fiamingo said he was disappointed and added that the governor needs to make his stance on guns public. “I think it’s to his detriment not to be very clear where he stands,” Fiamingo said. "I think this hurts him on the national stage. What plays in New Jersey doesn't play in places like Montana and Wyoming and Texas. If the governor chooses not to sit with us and come to some compromise with regards to gun control measures and the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms we have no choice but to expose that to the rest of the nation."

Doesn't seem like they forgot in Maryland. Over 4,000 attended a rally in Annapolis yesterday. One thousand signed up to testify. After 8 1/2 hours the Judiciary Committee pulled the plug. Some folks waited for 12 hours to speak only to be turned away. On Mdshooters.com, the thread regarding their rally and testimony had over 40,000 views and 1500 posts over a 24 hour period. The response I get from many New Jersey firearm owners is, " I paid my $35. I did my part." Pitchers and catchers report in a week. The Giants cut Bradshaw. How did the Knicks lose to the Wizards? "The people will suffer what is sufferable rather than to assume the burden of righting what is wrong."

Untrue. Perhaps some schools stopped dodgeball as part of P.E. class but many middle and high schools host after school dodgeball tournaments as a fundraising event.

The woman is Bonnie Watson Coleman. Don't expect legislators to know anything more about firearms except what they learn from the media and Bryan Miller. Her two sons have knowledge of firearms. Both did time for armed robbery.

I listened from 11am to noon and every call was in favor of carrying a handgun for self-defense.

Below is an old post of mine with some editing regarding the topic of population density. State "geography" is a worn out platitude used by the anti-gun crowd. You can take the above quote and insert the cities of Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Jacksonville, Tampa and Atlanta, Georgia. Below is a post from awhile back regarding my opinion on population density. The South Florida metropolitan area is home to 5.4 million people and 11 million tourists a year with a area of 6,100 square miles. Florida gun laws are the model for many states to follow. The metropolitan area of Phoenix, Arizona contains 4.3 million people. Arizona has few gun laws. New Jersey has 8.7 million people that live in 8,700 square miles. Most of which live in the northeastern part of the state.

We deserve the government we vote for.

AG Dow's response is so poorly written, with no teeth in her arguement, one can almost think she was told to "throw the fight".

Lorenzo, see my previous post. You've been swayed that a lot of people living or working in close proximity to each other leads to violent crime. If this is the state's platform, it'll get blown out of the water. New Jersey's population situation is not unique. Every state has metropolitan areas, congested housing, mall parking lots and super markets. The argument is purely subjective and groundless.

bs. State "geography" is a worn out platitude used by the anti-gun crowd. You can take the above quote and insert the cities of Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Jacksonville, Tampa and Atlanta, Georgia. The South Florida metropolitan area is home to 5.4 million people and 11 million tourists a year with a area of 6,100 square miles. Much of herion sold in America comes through Florida. Florida gun laws are the model for many states to follow. The metropolitan area of Phoenix, Arizona contains 4.3 million people. Arizona has it's drug and illegal alien trafficking problems. Arizona has few gun laws. Illegal drugs move through Texas every day. I like Texas' gun and Castle doctrine laws. New Jersey has 8.7 million people that live in 8,700 square miles. Most of which live in the northeastern part of the state. Drug dealers don't do anything legal nor have their name attached to anything. You're idea does not happen. Drug dealers get their "girlfriends" to buy their guns out of state in exchange for drugs and "celebrity status". Drive over to Camden and ask someone on the corner for their social security card, driver's license, proof of car insurance or their 2009 tax return form. I would bet that 99.9% of the citizens of New Jersey that don't own firearms don't know the laws surrounding firearms and present gun owners are not turning their old guns in. New Jersey gun laws are not stopping any first time, law abiding citizen from purchasing a firearm. The last presidential cycle we saw an increase in firearm sales, even in New Jersey.

It has been said many times that the only way to advance pro-gun laws in New Jersey and New York is to get the urban populace involved. Democrat controlled legislatures in both states think only white urban men own guns and Hispanic and black residents only own illegal guns and commit crime.

Legislators are always one year ahead of the citizens of the state. It was reported on here many moons ago, that before the Heller decision was official and the Chicago case was in it's infancy, many firearm owners and legislators knew which way the SC was going to decide and policy makers began back then working on how to handle CCW, because they knew it was only a matter of time, with Heller and Chicago, the composition of the SC, and how the decision was going to go down. New Jersey Assemblypeople and Senators very much know and pay very close attention to the CCW laws of surrounding states and the relaxed carry laws in the south and west regarding bars and sensitive areas. Again, reported here, 90% of New Jersey legislators don't give a rat's a** on whether you carry concealed or not. How many citizens are single issue voters? In this lousy economy people are concerned about being unemployed, losing health care, losing their homes and feeding their children. That's where people will vote. What percentage of a district's constituency would turn out to vote on a single issue? In urban areas? No. Constituents don't want to stop the gravy train and dry up the street money. The districts that have soccer moms will vote no because soccer moms know how to organize, have bake sales and most have little going on their lives. Lets "Do it for the children". They floated this balloon months ago when Senator Cunningham became the primary sponsor of the "New Jersey Self-Defense Law". Didn't anyone find it odd that a gun grabber like Cunningham was a primary sponsor of the bill. The senator received no push-back from anyone in her district. In fact many applauded it. This will get spun in a way where "We need our citizens to be able to protect themselves." "The police can't be everywhere." It is going to be amazing when this bill gets to the governor's desk. I wish I could be with Cryan Miller at each step when the bill moves through the Senate and Assembly committees and through each house. Oh, the look on his sour face! He knows the end is near.

Still on Governor Christie's desk.

No they don't because you place them in the correct scenario where the use of deadly force is the only option. This is where the legislature helped us out...Kyleigh's law. Nearly every parent of a teenage daughter loathes the idea of identifying to the criminal element that there is a young, inexperienced, unworldly, often times alone young lady behind the wheel of a car. The threat of rape, robbery and assault whether real or imagined was now on everyone's doorstep. Can 16 and 17 year old's carry a handgun for self-defense? No. But for the first time, the threat of real criminal activity was brought into the lives and parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents and self-preservation was at the forefront.

You missed my point. I'm not "friends"with anyone in gun shops. I frequent the shops often to say hello to the employees, met other firearm owners and discuss ways of changing the political climate. Your view of someone that has garnered trust and respect is considered bragging? Don't project your lack of involvement onto me. Do more and you'll surround yourself with others that are moving our cause forward and you'll feel better about yourself. Start with voting today.

Untrue. I know several that will let you handle any firearm in the shop without producing any documents. Also, I know nearly everyone in the shops and they all know me. If you keep striking out, take the person to the range and let them shoot your guns.

Wrong and wrong again. I don' know what pesimistic, low worth circles you travel in, but everyone that I talk to tells me that they are not olbligated to submit to an assault, rape or robbery. They also tell me that they are worthy people whose lives have value and are not willing to trade their lives for criminal gain.

A form letter carries little weight. Gather several hundred handwritten letters and drop them all at once on John Girgenti's and Gordon Johnson's desk. If we sent one person to each shooting range in the state on a Saturday or Sunday for a couple of hours, you might be able to get a thousand people to support the issue.