Guns on other peoples property

[chalee 0]

I have a friend who owns a buisness. He wanted to see some of the guns I bought but doesn't want to take the drive to my place. Is it legal to bring the weapons to his place so he can take a look and possibly shoot them since he is in a secluded location. I know some states let you have a firearm on your person at anothers residence or business if you are given permission to do so. Not sure about Knew Jersey though.

[coldsolderjoint 84]

It's private property I assume..

 

And discharge of firearms is legal within his town?

 

The problem is getting the gun's there... if the first two questions are answered "Yes".. then it may qualify as "transporting to the range?"

[BCeagle 12]

Most towns prohibit discharge and the sound will carry.

 

I dont think it qualifies as a range either. (I wish I could put one in my basement.)

[kenw 293]

I've thought about this a couple of times before. Friends of mine have a bunch of acreage up here, and do some shooting on their own property, but I've been reluctant to to join them.

 

If you're on your own property, and there aren't any "No Discharge" ordinances, and you're shooting your own legally owned and NJ compliant guns and obeying any local restrictions, fine. But, if I visit and Jim says "Here, check out this gun" and hands it to me to shoot, isn't that an illegal transfer of a weapon?

 

If I bring my own guns to shoot, aren't I stretching the transportation laws, since I'm not going to a shop, range, etc.? And, since it's not my property, am I actually allowed to shoot there unless I'm legally hunting in season, with licenses and whatever permits?

 

I just politely decline the invitations, but damn, wouldn't it be nice?

 

A definitive answer would be great.

[tbtrout 141]

Ken, as long as the owner is there and he hands you the gun to shoot while he is standing there,why would it be an illegal transfer? You shoot other peoples guns on the skeet range, right?

 

If you are on private property and it is legal to discharge firearms, and they have been doing it for years for and enjoy yourself.

 

I don't think twice about throwing my guns in the van and driving over a friends house. I go from point A to point B. Same as buying a used gun. You have to start at someone elses house to buy it before you get to yours. I think you all are over analyzing the situation.

[kenw 293]

I don't know about the procedures at other ranges, but when I joined CR, I signed a "Temporary Transfer" document that allows the sharing of firearms on the range property. I don't know what the consequences, if any, would be if I didn't, and then borrowed someone else's gun to try or let someone else try mine. They said it's a good idea to sign it, and I did.

 

It may be overthinking, but remember where we live. We are grudgingly allowed to pursue our hobby, while the state looks for any opportunity to step in and prosecute the smallest infraction of the most ridiculous laws.

[tbtrout 141]

I think the Temp Trans Doc is a CR Lawyer CYA fro the range thing. I have never seen or heard of one before.

 

As in hunting, I can let anyone borrow one of my shotguns as long as we are both legally engaged in hunting and we are together. When we go to the range the guns are set up on the line and whoever is there can shoot whatever they want.

 

I understand your concerns and we do live in NJ. I have just never given it that much thought.

[rscalzo 3]

Temp Trans Doc

I agree. I've never seen a state form of that nature.

 

Here is the statute that covers your concern. I've highlighted the specific area. As you can see, it only states "firing range" and it need not be of a commercial nature.

 

2C:58-3.1. Temporary transfer of firearms

1. a. Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:39-9, N.J.S.2C:58-2, N.J.S.2C:58-3 or any other statute to the contrary concerning the transfer or disposition of firearms, the legal owner, or a dealer licensed under N.J.S.2C:58-2, may temporarily transfer a handgun, rifleor shotgun to another person who is 18 years of age or older, whether or not the person receiving the firearm holds a firearms purchaser identification card or a permit to carry a handgun. The person to whom a handgun, rifle or shotgun is temporarily transferred by the legal owner of the firearm or a licensed dealer may receive, possess, carry and use that handgun, rifle or shotgun, if the transfer is made upon a firing range operated by a licensed dealer, by a law enforcement agency, a legally recognized military organization or a rifle or pistol club which has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits to the superintendent a list of its members and if the firearm is received, possessed, carried and used for the sole purpose of target practice, trap or skeet shooting, or competition upon that firing range or instruction and training at any location.

 

A transfer under this subsection shall be for not more than eight consecutive hours in any 24-hour period and may be made for a set fee or an hourly charge.

 

The firearm shall be handled and used by the person to whom it is temporarily transferred only in the actual presence or under the direct supervision of the legal owner of the firearm, the dealer who transferred the firearm or any other person competent to supervise the handling and use of firearms and authorized to act for that purpose by the legal owner or licensed dealer. The legal owner of the firearm or the licensed dealer shall be on the premises or the property of the firing range during the entire time that the firearm is in the possession of the person to whom it is temporarily transferredThe term "legal owner" as used in this subsection means a natural person and does not include an organization, commercial enterprise, or a licensed manufacturer, wholesaler or dealer of firearms..

 

b.Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:39-9, N.J.S.2C:58-2, N.J.S.2C:58-3 or any other statute to the contrary concerning the transfer and disposition of firearms, a legal owner of a shotgun or a rifle may temporarily transfer that firearm to another person who is 18 years of age or older, whether or not the person receiving the firearm holds a firearms purchaser identification card. The person to whom a shotgun or rifle is temporarily transferred by the legal owner may receive, possess, carry and use that shotgun or rifle in the woods or fields or upon the waters of this State for the purposes of hunting if the transfer is made in the woods or fields or upon the waters of this State, the shotgun or rifle is legal and appropriate for hunting and the person to whom the firearm is temporarily transferred possesses a valid license to hunt with a firearm, and a valid rifle permit if the firearm is a rifle, obtained in accordance with the provisions of chapter 3 of Title 23 of the Revised Statutes.

 

The transfer of a firearm under this subsection shall be for not more than eight consecutive hours in any 24-hour period and no fee shall be charged for the transfer.

 

The legal owner of the firearm which is temporarily transferred shall remain in the actual presence or in the vicinity of the person to whom it was transferred during the entire time that the firearm is in that person's possession.

 

The term "legal owner" as used in this subsection means a natural person and does not include an organization, commercial enterprise, or a licensed manufacturer, wholesaler or dealer of firearms.

 

c.No firearm shall be temporarily transferred or received under the provisions of subsections a. or b. of this section for the purposes described in section 1 of P.L.1983, c.229 (C.2C:39-14).

 

d.An owner or dealer shall not transfer a firearm to any person pursuant to the provisions of this section if the owner or dealer knows the person does not meet the qualifications set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3 for obtaining or holding a firearms purchaser identification card or a handgun purchase permit. A person shall not receive, possess, carry or use a firearm pursuant to the provisions of this section if the person knows he does not meet the qualifications set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3 for obtaining or holding a firearms purchaser identification card or a handgun purchase permit.

 

L.1992,c.74,s.1; amended 2000, c.145, s.4.

[kenw 293]

Not to put too fine a point on this, but:

The person to whom a handgun, rifle or shotgun is temporarily transferred by the legal owner of the firearm or a licensed dealer may receive, possess, carry and use that handgun, rifle or shotgun, if the transfer is made upon a firing range operated by a licensed dealer, by a law enforcement agency, a legally recognized military organization or a rifle or pistol club which has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits to the superintendent a list of its members and if the firearm is received, possessed, carried and used for the sole purpose of target practice, trap or skeet shooting, or competition upon that firing range or instruction and training at any location.

Doesn't say anything about someone's north 40.

[chalee 0]

Well I'm not sure of his local ordinaces so until I check I'll hold off. I can't wait to get myself some acreage in Penn. or Virginia.

[chalee 0]

Also there was alot of talk about transfer what if we were to just shoot our own guns?

[Malsua 1,422]

Not to put too fine a point on this, but:

The person to whom a handgun, rifle or shotgun is temporarily transferred by the legal owner of the firearm or a licensed dealer may receive, possess, carry and use that handgun, rifle or shotgun, if the transfer is made upon a firing range operated by a licensed dealer, by a law enforcement agency, a legally recognized military organization or a rifle or pistol club which has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits to the superintendent a list of its members and if the firearm is received, possessed, carried and used for the sole purpose of target practice, trap or skeet shooting, or competition upon that firing range or instruction and training at any location.

Doesn't say anything about someone's north 40.

 

I agree with you Ken. Handing it to someone is a transfer. There is no temp transfer to a buddy in a clover field next to a hay bale.

[chalee 0]

This state sucks. Gonna highjack my own thread going to do some hunting this season it's my first season doing this I'm guessing no sidearm is allowed in NJ not even a specil permint like in PA. Kind or hard to draw a bow on a charging bear while gutting a deer.

[kenw 293]

This state sucks. Gonna highjack my own thread going to do some hunting this season it's my first season doing this I'm guessing no sidearm is allowed in NJ not even a specil permint like in PA. Kind or hard to draw a bow on a charging bear while gutting a deer.

Haven't you been listening to Corzine??? There are no bears in NJ.

[djg0770 481]

There must be some provision as they have a youth hunter license for shotgun and we all know that anyone under 18 can't get an FPID...

[chalee 0]

I have been looking and I can't find anything that allows hunters to carry a sidearm(handgun) while on a hunt. Wondered if anyone else had a clue on this.

[Malsua 1,422]

I have been looking and I can't find anything that allows hunters to carry a sidearm(handgun) while on a hunt. Wondered if anyone else had a clue on this.

 

If you have a carry permit. Otherwise you're going to jail if a CO catches up with you.

[tinyboy 1]

I have been looking and I can't find anything that allows hunters to carry a sidearm(handgun) while on a hunt. Wondered if anyone else had a clue on this.

 

Sounds like open carry to me....

[djg0770 481]

Sounds like open carry to me....

 

-Which we all know to be illegal in NJ

[KpdPipes 388]

I have been looking and I can't find anything that allows hunters to carry a sidearm(handgun) while on a hunt. Wondered if anyone else had a clue on this.

 

 

You guys are overlooking one VERY glaring fact in NJ firearms laws that is the opposite of everywhere else. In NJ the laws is written to PROHIBIT everything, then list the exceptions where things are allowed. If you dont find something that specifically allows it, then it's assumed to be prohibited.