South Korean ship sunk, North Korean torpedo suspected

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S. Korean ship sinking; torpedo strike feared

 

South Korea is investigating whether a naval ship sinking off the west coast of the peninsula was hit by a torpedo fired by the North.

 

The 1,500-ton vessel, which had more than 100 people on board, started sinking between 9 p.m. and 10 p.m. local time (8 a.m. to 9 a.m. ET) near the island of Baengnyeong in the Yellow Sea. There were unconfirmed reports it had already sunk.

 

South Korean broadcaster SBS said many sailors were feared dead. A rescue operation was under way.

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The South Korean Yonhap news agency reported that the South Korean navy subsequently fired at an unidentified ship in the direction of North Korea.

 

North Korea in recent weeks has said it was bolstering its defenses in response to joint South Korean-U.S. military drills that were held this month.

 

Earlier Friday, North Korea's military warned South Korea and the United States of "unprecedented nuclear strikes" over a report the two countries plan to prepare for possible instability in the totalitarian country.

 

However the North routinely issues such warnings and officials in Seoul and Washington react calmly.

 

Diplomats in South Korea and the U.S. have repeatedly called on Pyongyang to return to international negotiations aimed at ending its nuclear programs.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36052055/ns ... iapacific/

[bbk 188]

I don't know. I'd be the first on this forum to be glad if the US decided to take more overt actions against DPRK. However, I find it unlikely that the DPRK have the capabilities to sink a ship w/o any confirmed knowledge by the ROK or US assets (unless those specific details haven't been released yet, which means everything is pure speculation right now).

North Korea might be the best saber rattlers in the world (Iran a close second), but aside from nuclear materials and supplying other nations, their bark is far larger then their bite.

 

Now, this is pure speculation, but the Chinese have far more capabilities to do something like this-- not saying they did by any means. You Navy guys would know what I'm talking about.

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Further reports indicate an explosion in ammo storage.

[Guest]

The glorious leader strikes again!!! LOL

 

Here is some cool stuff to check out. I love the whole fascination and total control that Kim Jong Il has over his people along with Kim Il Sung, the eternal president...LOL...its so sad though.

One could only see the state of what happens when a society is disarmed...the people get kicked...daily...

 

The stories about the labor camps make me so mad that people get treated like that...I seriously get outraged.

 

Its a shame what those people endure...I just wonder how much fun the people have with little acts of sedition...like not crossing the street fast enough, or selling rice on a tuesday..what a sham.

 

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[bbk 188]

Yea, it really is sad. Like how the US was fractured during and after the Civil War, the same has happened/is happening in Korea. One of my grandparents who passed was from a village that is currently above the 38th. He had brothers and sisters he's never heard from since. When he passed, my parents were actually given permission by both Koreas and the US to be given an [armed] escort into the bordering village to bury him. I wasn't allowed to go at the time because I was too young, and they (ROK/US) were afraid DPRK would try to kidnap me.

 

As for the people, it is freakish-- the state they're in. The people are literally convinced they live in the greatest nation in all the universe (no exaggeration). When DPRK officials went to Seoul once for a meeting, they accused the South Koreans for placing every vehicle in the whole country in Seoul, and that all the buildings were fake and empty (those that have been to Seoul know how bustling it is)... and it wasn't arrogance or stick-measuring-- they were utterly convinced.

 

As bad as it is now though, I'm concerned with the aftermath once Jong Il Kim dies. He's already tapped his son as his predecessor, but a lot of people in the IC think that won't matter... and the destabilization might be similar to what happened when Stalin passed. There are already rumblings of possible military coups (though, I wouldn't be surprised if that's just western IC trying to get them to start icing each other now)... and if it were to actually happen, well, it could get pretty messy within the country itself.

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Yea, it really is sad. Like how the US was fractured during and after the Civil War, the same has happened/is happening in Korea. One of my grandparents who passed was from a village that is currently above the 38th. He had brothers and sisters he's never heard from since. When he passed, my parents were actually given permission by both Koreas and the US to be given an [armed] escort into the bordering village to bury him. I wasn't allowed to go at the time because I was too young, and they (ROK/US) were afraid DPRK would try to kidnap me.

 

As for the people, it is freakish-- the state they're in. The people are literally convinced they live in the greatest nation in all the universe (no exaggeration). When DPRK officials went to Seoul once for a meeting, they accused the South Koreans for placing every vehicle in the whole country in Seoul, and that all the buildings were fake and empty (those that have been to Seoul know how bustling it is)... and it wasn't arrogance or stick-measuring-- they were utterly convinced.

 

As bad as it is now though, I'm concerned with the aftermath once Jong Il Kim dies. He's already tapped his son as his predecessor, but a lot of people in the IC think that won't matter... and the destabilization might be similar to what happened when Stalin passed. There are already rumblings of possible military coups (though, I wouldn't be surprised if that's just western IC trying to get them to start icing each other now)... and if it were to actually happen, well, it could get pretty messy within the country itself.

 

 

WOW, thats a cool story, good thing you didnt go, or you would have been abducted for sure!

I know Seoul is a MEGALOPOLIS, for real. Its a shame that people can actually be that brainwashed!

I feel for the Korean people.

They are already singing songs made up by the state that honor the son, most of the people dont care.

I think there is alot of dissent and its going to crumble. It will be very interesting to see how the South can absorb that type of flood, as I think the people know this is not how its supposed to be.

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As for the people, it is freakish-- the state they're in. The people are literally convinced they live in the greatest nation in all the universe (no exaggeration). When DPRK officials went to Seoul once for a meeting, they accused the South Koreans for placing every vehicle in the whole country in Seoul, and that all the buildings were fake and empty (those that have been to Seoul know how bustling it is)... and it wasn't arrogance or stick-measuring-- they were utterly convinced.

 

 

They are truly beyond destitute. I also genuinely feel for those horribly oppressed, brainwashed souls. They are being robbed of life itself.

 

However technology is slowly allowing "forbidden" information to seep in and apparently word is getting around now more than ever. Their currency has tanked, badly. The populace is growing very discontent. Despite their civil militance, I believe they would fall like a house of cards.

 

Kim is reported to be on dialysis (one of the only human beings I would with such a horror on) and his health declines every year. I pray the piece of slop leaves this world soon for his eternity in hell.

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Yea, it really is sad. Like how the US was fractured during and after the Civil War, the same has happened/is happening in Korea. One of my grandparents who passed was from a village that is currently above the 38th. He had brothers and sisters he's never heard from since. When he passed, my parents were actually given permission by both Koreas and the US to be given an [armed] escort into the bordering village to bury him. I wasn't allowed to go at the time because I was too young, and they (ROK/US) were afraid DPRK would try to kidnap me.

 

As for the people, it is freakish-- the state they're in. The people are literally convinced they live in the greatest nation in all the universe (no exaggeration). When DPRK officials went to Seoul once for a meeting, they accused the South Koreans for placing every vehicle in the whole country in Seoul, and that all the buildings were fake and empty (those that have been to Seoul know how bustling it is)... and it wasn't arrogance or stick-measuring-- they were utterly convinced.

 

As bad as it is now though, I'm concerned with the aftermath once Jong Il Kim dies. He's already tapped his son as his predecessor, but a lot of people in the IC think that won't matter... and the destabilization might be similar to what happened when Stalin passed. There are already rumblings of possible military coups (though, I wouldn't be surprised if that's just western IC trying to get them to start icing each other now)... and if it were to actually happen, well, it could get pretty messy within the country itself.

 

While not quite as drastic it was sililar in the bad old days when people would Defect from the USSR they would be convinced that everything was staged for weeks, until they realized that yes, Most people Do actually have theri own cars...the other thing that amazed people was somethign we take for granted... Supermarkets.

[bbk 188]

Hehe, supermarkets... what's wrong with going to the market and going to the fly section for your protein? :?

 

As for the possible near future destabilization of NK, it worries me in some ways. Unlike a lot of countries that had military coups (primarily in Southwest and Southeast Asia), there really isn't the threat of warlords or gangs rising up-- mostly because the regime has quelled and neutered their society for generations now. However, there is the threat of foreign influence, whether its at the state (China) or syndicate level (Russian mob). And considering how weak the country would be, and probably wouldn't receive any help (nor would they want it probably)... well, as bad as it is now, it could possibly get even worse.

[KpdPipes 388]

Hehe, supermarkets... what's wrong with going to the market and going to the fly section for your protein? :?

 

As for the possible near future destabilization of NK, it worries me in some ways. Unlike a lot of countries that had military coups (primarily in Southwest and Southeast Asia), there really isn't the threat of warlords or gangs rising up-- mostly because the regime has quelled and neutered their society for generations now. However, there is the threat of foreign influence, whether its at the state (China) or syndicate level (Russian mob). And considering how weak the country would be, and probably wouldn't receive any help (nor would they want it probably)... well, as bad as it is now, it could possibly get even worse.

 

 

had a family friend who was in intel in the 80's who dealt with some defectors (He didnt elaborate, and i never asked) but he always said that the first trip to a supermarket was something to watch..they woule be amazed at all of the food freely available..then get pissed, thinking it wa a setup, then back to amazement when they realized it wasnt. he sad that it seemed the concept of walking in, putting your money down, and walking out with all the food you could afford, with no hors on line and limited stocks did more to lossen up tongues than anything else.

 

For years i've been expecting the politburo to declare that Kim had a tragic (7.65 mm-induced) Stroke, and the "Dear leader" died in his sleep...at ehich point they would take over and try to start mormalizing things....i've pretty much given up on that. I dont blme you fpr being worried BBK..I have the feeling that when the SHTF over there, it's going to HUGELY, and the death toll before everything is done will be in the millions.