lexcruiser 13 Posted April 6, 2010 Just curious... is there an aggregate or archive somewhere (on this site or otherwise) which captures news reports or stories about home defense situations in NJ involving the homeowner's firearm? What is the usual outcome if an intruder is hurt or killed by the homeowner? The more I read, the more I feel like the gun laws protect the "criminal" more than the victim here. Should I be afraid to protect myself in my own home? I understand that I can't go after someone in my house, but what about situations where I lock my bedroom door, call the police, but the assailant is trying to bash down my bedroom door? Or worse yet, if I had children and move out of my bedroom to protect them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted April 6, 2010 My opinion..... Do what you gotta do..... Better to be judged by 12 then carried out by 6.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted April 6, 2010 There is a castle doctrine in NJ. If you are under threat, you can defend yourself INSIDE your home. If the guy is breaking in a window, wait till he's inside. Shoot to stop the threat. When the police arrive, remain silent, ask for an attorney and do not consent to anything. There are some thread you may want to read: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2674&p=30401&hilit=castle#p30401 viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3301&hilit=castle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lexcruiser 13 Posted April 6, 2010 Thanks for the links Malsua.. Was wondering also if there are any news stories or actual "real life" situations where this took place and what the outcome was for the person who had to make this ultimate decision to take someone else's life. I hope to never be in this situation, but I also don't want to 2nd guess myself if it ever comes down to it. Who knows, that half a second hesitation on my part if this were to ever happen may literally mean life or death to me and my family... What a crappy thing to have to think about.. :| Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommy3rd 132 Posted April 6, 2010 Be careful though. There's a section 2C:3-6 use of force in defense of premises or personal property.section d says use of DEADLY force in defense of personal property is not justified unless justified under another provision of the chapter. It basically says if they're just stealing something, you can't just blow them away. I'll attach the whole code when I get a chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJ609 22 Posted April 6, 2010 At the end of the day, I don't think anyone wants to cause harm. (Meaning those of us here.) But it is your job not to allow yourself or your family to be hurt, murdered, etc. That's the cold reality. That is what you are working to prevent by neutralizing the threat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted April 6, 2010 Be careful though. There's a section 2C:3-6 use of force in defenseof premises or personal property.section d says use of DEADLY force in defense of personal property is not justified unless justified under another provision of the chapter. It basically says if they're just stealing something, you can't just blow them away. I'll attach the whole code when I get a chance. If I see a weapon..... I will be " in fear of my life " ..... I will shoot to kill.... sorry, that is a cold hard fact.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coldsolderjoint 84 Posted April 6, 2010 Be careful though. There's a section 2C:3-6 use of force in defenseof premises or personal property.section d says use of DEADLY force in defense of personal property is not justified unless justified under another provision of the chapter. It basically says if they're just stealing something, you can't just blow them away. I'll attach the whole code when I get a chance. If I see a weapon..... I will be " in fear of my life " ..... I will shoot to kill.... sorry, that is a cold hard fact.... Shoot to stop the threat. If the situation requires you to kill the bad guy.. then so be it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted April 6, 2010 Exactly..... 2 shots - center mass..... Assess the situation.... if threat still exists.... 2 more center mass. NEVER A HEAD SHOT.... that shows intent to kill.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KpdPipes 388 Posted April 6, 2010 There is a castle doctrine in NJ. If you are under threat, you can defend yourself INSIDE your home. If the guy is breaking in a window, wait till he's inside. Shoot to stop the threat. When the police arrive, remain silent, ask for an attorney and do not consent to anything. There are some thread you may want to read: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2674&p=30401&hilit=castle#p30401 viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3301&hilit=castle Dont give Legal Adivice if you arent an attorney. there IS some infomration you will have to give the officers, such as your id. When it comes to the Incident, what you need to say is something on the order of the following. "Im Sorry officer/Sgt/Lt/Det/Whatever, i realize you have a job to do, and I am not trying to make it harder, but im not comfortable making any statements relative to what happened without an attorney present for my own protection. I will willingly go with you, but i do not waive my right to remain silent until i have counsel present." Playing the silent game is njust going to piss people off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted April 6, 2010 Dont give Legal Adivice if you arent an attorney. Quoting Evan Nappen, not giving legal advice. Advice on the internet is worth as much as you paid for it. The key is basically, to remain silent about the incident not sit there like a lump. there IS some infomration you will have to give the officers, such as your id. When it comes to the Incident, what you need to say is something on the order of the following. "Im Sorry officer/Sgt/Lt/Det/Whatever, i realize you have a job to do, and I am not trying to make it harder, but im not comfortable making any statements relative to what happened without an attorney present for my own protection. I will willingly go with you, but i do not waive my right to remain silent until i have counsel present." Perfectly reasonable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted April 6, 2010 If I see a weapon..... while i am certainly not qualified to offer ANY legal advice.. what i can say is this.. through a fairly lucky set of circumstances i have taken some pretty intensive classes that focus on self defense.. armed.. unarmed.. etc.. and without getting into GREAT detail i will say this.. if i am ever forced to draw a firearm onto a person who has unlawfully entered my home, and they make ANY hand movement short of putting both hands straight up into the air (read that as ANYTHING that MIGHT be "reaching" for something) i would likely feel in danger of my life, because waiting till that weapon is produced may cost you OR your loved ones their lives.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJgunowner86 0 Posted April 7, 2010 If I see a weapon..... while i am certainly not qualified to offer ANY legal advice.. what i can say is this.. through a fairly lucky set of circumstances i have taken some pretty intensive classes that focus on self defense.. armed.. unarmed.. etc.. and without getting into GREAT detail i will say this.. if i am ever forced to draw a firearm onto a person who has unlawfully entered my home, and they make ANY hand movement short of putting both hands straight up into the air (read that as ANYTHING that MIGHT be "reaching" for something) i would likely feel in danger of my life, because waiting till that weapon is produced may cost you OR your loved ones their lives.. THIS. All it takes is half a second and a coat pocket, how could anyone - homeowner or lawmaker - know it's a candy bar or a 9mm that's coming out, until it's too late to matter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNRA 12 Posted April 7, 2010 Exactly..... 2 shots - center mass..... Assess the situation.... if threat still exists.... 2 more center mass. NEVER A HEAD SHOT.... that shows intent to kill.... or your a bad shot, and he can't testify against you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dewhitewolf 8 Posted April 9, 2010 All it takes is half a second and a coat pocket, how could anyone - homeowner or lawmaker - know it's a candy bar or a 9mm that's coming out, until it's too late to matter. Maybe it's a high-capacity candy bar, with more than 15 peanuts in it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites