illy 1 Posted December 19, 2013 Loosk like Ruger's made its first foray into the IDPA revolver world. http://ruger.com/products/gp100/specSheets/1754.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alec.mc 180 Posted December 19, 2013 Really doesn't look that appetizing to me... I mean besides the half lug barrel, what's different? Fixed rear sights on a " competition " gun? Really? Come on now... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark_anthony_78 0 Posted December 19, 2013 Half lug - yuck Ugly wood grips - yuck Fiber optic sights - OK, cool, but not worth $140 more than the 4" stainless/Hogue grip version (that I have and love). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illy 1 Posted December 19, 2013 Agreed on the grips and the sights. I've always liked the half-lug on the 4" geeps and the slab side bbl works for me here, Word is that the trigger/hammer are polished & shimmed from the factory. I'd have to shoot one to know if it's worth the extra $ over the standard 4" (probably isn't). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted December 19, 2013 Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery... Ruger GP100 Competition vs. S&W 686 SSR Stippled wood grips: Ruger - Yes / S&W - Yes Half-lug barrel: Ruger - Yes / S&W - Yes Slab-sided 4" barrel (nominal): Ruger - Yes / S&W - Yes Adjustable rear sight: Ruger - No / S&W - Yes FO front sight: Ruger - Yes / S&W - No. Red insert. Customer interchangeable blade SS: Ruger - Yes / S&W - Yes Six Shot Cylinder: Ruger - Yes / S&W - Yes Looks like Ruger perceives the SSR to be a winner and decided they needed to get on the bandwagon. Adios, Pizza Bob<---S&W Fanboy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illy 1 Posted December 19, 2013 Ha! My first thought when I saw it was- That's one Smith looking Ruger... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick_F 5 Posted December 20, 2013 I think it's good looking. Only thing that bothers me with Ruger is they look like their triggers are a hair too short. Looks like too much gap between the bottom and the trigger guard. Regardless, S&W look much better to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alec.mc 180 Posted December 20, 2013 you forgot to mention the rock hard 17 lb ruger trigger pull though bob. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CommonSense 0 Posted December 20, 2013 I like it. Reminds me of the discontinued S&W M66. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bennj 215 Posted December 20, 2013 Wanted a 686, ended up with a GP100 and like it very much (I'm just a recreational shooter). I hope no one takes offense, as everyone's likes and dislikes are unique....but who in their right mind would want the Ruger comp (I understand the hammer and trigger are polished and shimmed) over the 686 SSR at that price point? Carry on, Ben Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illy 1 Posted December 20, 2013 If I was deciding between those two, I'd get the GP. Both guns are likely more accurate than I am. Cons for the Ruger: Rear sight. Cons for the SSR: Hideous, internal lock, side plate. And hideous Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bennj 215 Posted December 20, 2013 Alpo, Ditto for me on the accuracy issue, and I think you forgot to mention hideous. Internal lock, transfer bar...six of one, half a dozen of the other. I haven't held the GP100 comp but I did fondle the 686 SSR, IMO very nice piece! But still, 900 bucks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted December 20, 2013 Cons for the SSR: Hideous, internal lock, side plate. And hideous ?????????? The lock on the S&W, while universally disliked, is really a non-issue. It is easily removed, if you are so inclined. I don't understand the side plate comment. I believe this is supposed to imply an integral weakness in the design. I've seen many a Smith blown up by an over zealous hand loader, but of those, I have never seen a failure at the side plate - top strap, cylinder, yes. I've seen Rugers fail in the same manner, but the side plate, again, is non-issue. If you don't like S&W, just say so - everyone is entitled to their opinion. Despite Ruger's moniker for their latest model, I doubt that you will see an increase in their use in real competition. JMHO Adios, Pizza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illy 1 Posted December 20, 2013 Bob, I've heard the weakness argument, but never believed it. The reason I mentioned the side plate is that the design is more complicated than Ruger's. That said, I've taken the plate off my Model 10 and got intimate with the guts. But doing the same on my Rugers has always been much easier and less fraught with fear of flying springs and scratched finishes. So it's not a "I don't trust Smiths" issue, it's a "I take my guns apart and there's a lot more to do on a Smith" issue. Ditto for the lock removal. Nevertheless, by the biggest con for me is the look of the SSR. If it looked more like a traditional 686, I'd take it over the geep. And I DO like Smiths. In fact, one of my next 3 permits is earmarked for a 625 JM, and if could only have one revolver, it would be the TRR8. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alec.mc 180 Posted December 20, 2013 Bob, I've heard the weakness argument, but never believed it. The reason I mentioned the side plate is that the design is more complicated than Ruger's. That said, I've taken the plate off my Model 10 and got intimate with the guts. But doing the same on my Rugers has always been much easier and less fraught with fear of flying springs and scratched finishes. So it's not a "I don't trust Smiths" issue, it's a "I take my guns apart and there's a lot more to do on a Smith" issue. Ditto for the lock removal. Nevertheless, by the biggest con for me is the look of the SSR. If it looked more like a traditional 686, I'd take it over the geep. And I DO like Smiths. In fact, one of my next 3 permits is earmarked for a 625 JM, and if could only have one revolver, it would be the TRR8. I'd disagree , personally - I feel smiths design is more simplistic and easier to work on and function test over the ruger... The side plate coming off allows a large area to work in versus the rugers drop out trigger assembly that I felt was a nightmare to take apart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted December 20, 2013 I'd disagree , personally - I feel smiths design is more simplistic and easier to work on and function test over the ruger... The side plate coming off allows a large area to work in versus the rugers drop out trigger assembly that I felt was a nightmare to take apart. I concur. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illy 1 Posted December 20, 2013 Yeah, probably just my lack of experience w/ Smiths. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illy 1 Posted December 20, 2013 Here are some more details on this model: F E A T U R E S : -The half-lug, slab-sided 4.2" barrel delivers lively handlingfor quick transition between targets. -The barrel also features an 11° target crown forcompetitive-level accuracy. -Match-tuned action with polished and optimized internals,a centering boss on the trigger, and centering shims on thehammer produce a smooth double-action trigger pulland a crisp and consistent let-off. -A fixed Novak ® Lo-Mount Carry rear sight and fiber optic frontsight allows for a fast and visible sight picture. -A custom Hogue® hardwood grip with stippled sides permitsan ideal grip for competition shooting. (Patented grip framedesign easily accommodates a wide variety of custom grips.) -The ejector and chamber mouths have a light chamfer to aidloading, while a contoured cylinder enables easy re-holstering. -Triple-locking cylinder is locked into the frame at the front,rear and bottom for more positive alignment and dependableoperation shot after shot.http://ruger-hosted.s3.amazonaws.com/email/1754-SellSheet-0e3dad1d793928a.pdf****************************** Nice, but still pretty sure I won't be buying one.However, rumor has it that there's a 3" carry version w/ all the same features coming up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted December 20, 2013 I prefer the 686 ssr. Will most likely be my next purchase for the right price Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illy 1 Posted January 9, 2014 Full review from Jeff Quinn: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illy 1 Posted January 9, 2014 Really doesn't look that appetizing to me... I mean besides the half lug barrel, what's different? Fixed rear sights on a " competition " gun? Really? Come on now... Agreed on the grips and the sights. Well, it turns out the rear sight is adjustable for windage and it comes with two different height front sights. you forgot to mention the rock hard 17 lb ruger trigger pull though bob. A common complaint about Rugers, and while none of mine are that stiff, I haven't shot one out of the box that was better than most Smiths. However, Jeff claims the D/A trigger pull (6.5lb) on the new GP "feels as good as we used to get on some custom Smith & Wessons many years ago when you could send the gun off and get it worked on." @5:00 min I don't understand the side plate comment. I believe this is supposed to imply an integral weakness in the design. JMHO Adios, Pizza Bob As I mentioned in my original reply, I never bought that either. Jeff seems to though. He states "Of course there's no side plate on a Ruger, so it's got a good strong frame. It's not gonna shoot out of time like some guns do. You can run all the .357 magnum ammo out of this thing you want to with any problems." @3:50 And after comparing the trigger to S&W's, he goes on: "But, it's got the durability, the reliability and the long life of a Ruger." @5:33 And I DO like Smiths. In fact, one of my next 3 permits is earmarked for a 625 JM, and if could only have one revolver, it would be the TRR8. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites