Shane45 807 Posted December 27, 2016 In the eyes of the ATF, if properly installed, it is no longer a threaded barrel. That is not the goal of NJ law. Does the stock still have all its parts to collapse? Indeed the muzzle device and the stock are related. They are both related to compliance. And to be compliant they need to be "permanently" altered/attached. To accept the method of permanently altered/attached for one and not the other is illogical. The state makes no reference in statute to the atf guideline. It makes little sense to follow a guideline that has nothing to do with permanently attaching one part to another. Again the ATF rules are to make 2 parts into one part. And truth be told half the pin and weld jobs done in NJ do NOT pass the atf definition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted December 27, 2016 In the eyes of the ATF, if properly installed, it is no longer a threaded barrel. That is not the goal of NJ law. Does the stock still have all its parts to collapse? Indeed the muzzle device and the stock are related. They are both related to compliance. And to be compliant they need to be "permanently" altered/attached. To accept the method of permanently altered/attached for one and not the other is illogical. The state makes no reference in statute to the atf guideline. It makes little sense to follow a guideline that has nothing to do with permanently attaching one part to another. Again the ATF rules are to make 2 parts into one part. And truth be told half the pin and weld jobs done in NJ do NOT pass the atf definition. stocks can be pinned.. mags can't.. so kind of unsure.. LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted December 27, 2016 Now the mags did have an extra stipulation placed upon them. But as we all agree clear as mud in NJ! I cant actually find the original statement that said they had to be permanently altered in a way the mag is destroyed if an attempt to reverse it was made. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted December 27, 2016 Now the mags did have an extra stipulation placed upon them. But as we all agree clear as mud in NJ! I cant actually find the original statement that said they had to be permanently altered in a way the mag is destroyed if an attempt to reverse it was made. its not actually part of any written law AFAIK.. its in a letter that speaks to the intention of the law... and the clear as mud statement was kind of my point all along.. not clear.. so err on the side of caution.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted December 27, 2016 On a 16" Barrel a press fit steel pin or a Weld over the steel pin is acceptable. Under 16" would require a weld. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted December 27, 2016 If we are relying on the ATF Standard for permanently attaching muzzle devices, then let's compare apples to apples. In other words, do what the manufacturers did for 16"+ barrels during the Federal Ban from 1994 til 2004, and still do today for restricted States. Some pin, some pin/weld. Sent from an undisclosed location Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted December 27, 2016 I know stag press fits a pin on compliant guns... Not sure what Windham does since we pin those ourselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites