Koons case

[revenger 473]

  I think this case is scheduled for this wednesday, is there any live feed for the arguments.   also does anyone have the dates for the mag limit/ AWB , I thought early Nov.   

 

thanks

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

[revenger 473]

great,  thanks

I send money to FPC all the time but dont seem to get alerts anymore.

once defeated what is the plan?   would the next move be theirs ?  will we know anything wednesday?

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

2 hours ago, revenger said:

also does anyone have the dates for the mag limit/ AWB , I thought early Nov.  

ANJRPC v. Platkin docket:

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/7147045/association-of-new-jersey-rifle-pistol-clubs-inc-v-grewal/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc
 

Not sure when the next hearing(s) are for this case, not all the most recent documents are available.

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

22 minutes ago, revenger said:

I send money to FPC all the time but dont seem to get alerts anymore.

I stopped reading their email alerts - love the organization, but their email "alerts" were just ham-fisted alarmist fundraising b.s.

To really get updates on what's happening, read their twitter feeds (using nitter.net, a twitter proxy that lets you read twitter feeds without having to log in and/or be tracked):

https://nitter.net/gunpolicy

https://nitter.net/2aupdates (Feed of Rob Romano, a FPC legal analyst)

22 minutes ago, revenger said:

once defeated what is the plan?   would the next move be theirs ?

The Wed hearing is for the anti-carry case, and I believe that's to decide if the court will grant NJ's appeal of what remains of Bumb's injunction (basically eliminating the injunction and putting the entire law back in effect).

I doubt we'll get a decision on that on Wed, but maybe end of this week or sometime next week.

For the AWB/Mag ban cases, I think next event is judge rules on motions for summary judgement.  If summary judgement not granted, then there will be additional hearings, indeterminate timeline.

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

Audio stream *MAY* be available here when the Koons v. Platkin hearing starts (Scheduled for Wed 10/25 at 11:00 AM):

http://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/OralArgSummariesLanding/CasesDetails.aspx?hrngDt=20231025

[revenger 473]

"(basically eliminating the injunction and putting the entire law back in effect)."

So should that happen I assume our side is prepared to immediately appeal to the SC justice who handles the 3rd circuit?

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

18 minutes ago, revenger said:

"(basically eliminating the injunction and putting the entire law back in effect)."

So should that happen I assume our side is prepared to immediately appeal to the SC justice who handles the 3rd circuit?

Perhaps, but likely that appeal wouldn't result in any action.  So far SCOTUS has not acted on any appeal for "extra-procedural" intervention in a 2A case in the circuit courts.

[ESB 247]

https://www.anjrpc.org/page/ArgumentInCarryKillerAppealOct25

ORAL ARGUMENT TO OCCUR IN CARRY-KILLER APPEAL 10/25

October 24, 2023. The appeal in ANJRPC’s carry-killer lawsuit, Siegel v. Platkin, will be argued tomorrow morning (Wed. 10/25) at the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit in Philadelphia. You can listen in on the court’s live stream audio on YouTube at approximately 11:00 a.m. on Wednesday October 25, by clicking here.   Gun owners will recall that, after Judge Bumb’s historic ruling in the lower court earlier this year granting an injunction blocking large portions of the carry-killer law, the State appealed to the middle level federal court, seeking to reinstate the law. At the request of the State, the appeals court partially suspended the lower court’s injunction for the duration of the State’s appeal, thereby reinstating large swaths of the carry-killer law. ANJRPC simultaneously sought to expand the court’s injunction to block more of the carry-killer law. At tomorrow’s hearing, the parties will make their various arguments to the court, which will render a decision at a later date.

Live stream here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYD79c6Vyrc

 

[CMJeepster 2,778]

Thanks for that!

[njJoniGuy 2,131]

https://www.youtube.com/live/KYD79c6Vyrc?si=sEuR1hrBO2ZDr_ev

And we're live

Judges are coming back after the previous case.

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

If you can't listen live, news2ateam is "liveblogging" the arguments:

https://nitter.net/News2ATeam

[njJoniGuy 2,131]

Angela will be 10 pounds lighter when the judges are done with her. She's pulling EVERYTHING out of her ass in her answers.

[revenger 473]

thi is painful

[revenger 473]

someone want to opine as to where we stand,  I cound not make heads or tails who was talking.   I don't even think I heard our side speak just the enemy?

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

The Moms were outside the courthouse:

https://nitter.net/MomsDemand/status/1717205048571072571#m

[galapoola 102]

On 10/24/2023 at 9:32 AM, DirtyDigz said:

Audio stream *MAY* be available here when the Koons v. Platkin hearing starts (Scheduled for Wed 10/25 at 11:00 AM):

http://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/OralArgSummariesLanding/CasesDetails.aspx?hrngDt=20231025

This on demand works:

https://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/oralargument/audio/23-1900Siegelv.AttyGenNJetal.mp3

[bennj 215]

 Same 2 anti judges and 1 2A judge, didn't Einstein say something about insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result? As well-reasoned the arguments were from our side, and as baseless the arguments from Cai and company were, I am not optimistic that the anti judges will adhere to our constitution or the bill of rights. But hope springs eternal.

[CMJeepster 2,778]

Hope is not a strategy.

[bennj 215]

Not to be contrarian, but I believe it can be. It also may be all we have, despite the excellent work being done by our defense, because of the evident prejudices of certain judges.

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

 

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Oral Arguments at the Third Circuit in N.J. ‘Carry-Killer’ Case for Preliminary Injunction. Will a Liberty Bell Ring for the Injured?

https://bearingarms.com/john-petrolino/2023/10/26/oral-arguments-at-the-third-circuit-in-n-j-carry-killer-case-for-preliminary-injunction-will-a-liberty-bell-ring-for-the-injured-n76570

[revenger 473]

any time frame for a ruling from the 3rd ckt?

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

On 10/30/2023 at 12:40 PM, revenger said:

any time frame for a ruling from the 3rd ckt?

Whenever they feel like it.

[brucin 923]

On 10/30/2023 at 12:40 PM, revenger said:

any time frame for a ruling from the 3rd ckt?

The 2nd Circus heard a case substantially similar to ours back in March and has yet to issue a ruling so there is that.