Remington 700

[zeenon 0]

Is it wrong every time I goto the range I see a new gun I want/need?

 

So I'm at Fort Dix today, couple guys from Linden PD there all with Remington .308's, and even our leader maksim was punching the paper with his .308.

 

So now I'm doing a little homework and I see they have a couple SPS models 20", 24" and 26" barrel length. What is the advantage of a longer barrel, I'm thinking accuracy. Still looking at the .223 model or the .308, at least with the .223 I use those in my AR-15 so it's not another round to buy. I'm going to troll the next 9 pages and see what everyone else has.

 

Z

[Maksim 1,504]

Glad i am having a positive impact on the economy. =P

 

Most folks end up getting 308 to start with, although a 223 is a great shooter too. As we talked, Wolfy has one.

 

the base models are sps and a great shooters out of the box.

 

the nicer ones.... the LE line.

 

http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/700p.htm

 

and i have this one....

 

http://www.snipercountry.com/InReviews/ ... n700VS.asp no longer made.

[zeenon 0]

SPS Varmint (26" barrel) and I love the Nikon scope so I'd grab one of those too

 

How do you tell if the SPS Varmint has a free floating barrel?

 

I thinking of getting a lefty, but the more I think about it, i'll stick with the normal version.

 

Z

[Chad 3]

I have two, one in 30-06 and one in 22-250. The one I have in 22-250, is lefty and the varmint model with a 3.5lb trigger out of the box, but it is user adjustable +/- 2lbs. Great rifles. I have a savage model 110LE model in .308, GREAT round you won't be disappointed with it. Also, if you are looking to save a few bucks check out the savage line of rifles. I've never had a problem with mine. I'll bring them next time to dix if you'd like to check them out.

[Maksim 1,504]

the base sps is not totally free floated. there is an obstruction point near the front of the barrel. the 700P though is free floated.

 

the base sps is still a great gun though.

[zeenon 0]

Chad,

 

Looking at Savage Arms as we speak. I see the 10FP, what model do you have and is there a comparable 26" ?(like the SPS Varmint)

 

NM: Too much shooting today, I can't read

 

Z

[Chad 3]

I'm almost sure its the 110le...I will double check in the AM and let you know for sure. Really good shooter tho, and lefty to boot

[BCeagle 12]

I have the SPS tactical, same as the varmint with a shorter barrel. I figured if Marine snipers are going to the shorter barrel its good enough for me.

[njpilot 671]

Shorter barrel loses some velocity, but in the 200-300 yd range, really shouldn't affect accuracy, At least that's what I read when researching my .308 purchase.

[Chad 3]

Shorter barrel loses some velocity, but in the 200-300 yd range, really shouldn't affect accuracy, At least that's what I read when researching my .308 purchase.

 

That is what I always understood as well. I think you'd notice a difference at much greater distances, but in that range i don't think it matters much.

[Shane45 807]

Length is a lengthy subject. It has little to do with outright accuracy. In fact current thinking is that shorter stiffer barrels have an advantage. All are trending to 20" barrels including the military. I know several people shooting 20" 308's to 1000.(with the right load). The measured velocity difference is suprisingly small in many rifles. I prefer the handiness and better transitioning qualities of a shorter rifle. Now on a 1 way range to punch paper I wouldnt pass up a deal on a 26" PSS. But if its even money and availability, Id go with an LTR. Where accuracy is affected is a very narrow segment of the trajectory. Id have to do the math to figure out exactly how many yards that is but its small. Say for example your trying to hit a target at 1000 with 168Grn FGGM in X Humidity at x elavation above sea level. At 980 Yds your going transonic so your accuracy blows up at 980. If the diff in an 18" barrel and a 26 inch barrel is 150Fps in that rifle, is that enough to move the transonic tipping point past 1000? If yes then barrel length mattered for accuracy. If it only moved it to 990, then it made no difference.

 

Disclaimer--- Im no LR Guru. YMMV

[Wolfy 51]

I have a 700 in 223 great gun accurate and a pleasure to shoot.

[Shane45 807]

Range Velocity Energy Trajectory TOF Drift

(yards) (fps) (ft-lb) (inches) (sec) (inches)

0 2600 2522 -1.50 0.0000 0.00

100 2407 2161 -0.00 0.1199 0.00

200 2222 1842 -4.51 0.2496 0.00

300 2046 1561 -16.08 0.3903 0.00

400 1877 1314 -35.98 0.5434 0.00

500 1715 1097 -65.77 0.7106 0.00

600 1560 908 -107.41 0.8940 0.00

700 1411 743 -163.40 1.0962 0.00

800 1270 602 -236.91 1.3203 0.00

900 1140 484 -332.06 1.5698 0.00 TRANSONIC. Accuracy just died right there

1000 1053 413 -453.96 1.8453 0.00

 

Add 175 fps @ the muzzle:

 

Range Velocity Energy Trajectory TOF Drift

(yards) (fps) (ft-lb) (inches) (sec) (inches)

0 2775 2872 -1.50 0.0000 0.00

100 2575 2473 -0.00 0.1122 0.00

200 2383 2117 -3.75 0.2334 0.00

300 2199 1804 -13.65 0.3644 0.00

400 2023 1527 -30.74 0.5066 0.00

500 1856 1285 -56.35 0.6614 0.00

600 1695 1071 -92.08 0.8306 0.00

700 1541 885 -139.95 1.0162 0.00

800 1393 724 -202.53 1.2210 0.00

900 1253 585 -283.11 1.4482 0.00

1000 1124 471 -385.94 1.7013 0.00 You made it(roughly. All variables not calculated)

[Melgamatic 66]

What is the advantage of a longer barrel, I'm thinking accuracy.

 

In general, longer barrels increase speed but decrease accuracy, up to a point.

[zeenon 0]

Looking around at ammo for a .308 I see it referred to as 7.62x51mm, are these one in the same (.308/7.62x51mm)?

 

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/308_Ammunition.html

 

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp;jsessionid=FMCC1EN01RRYRLAQBBKSCNVMCAEFAIWE?id=0075138217257a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Product_liberal&QueryText=Winchester+7.62+x+51+NATO+Ammo+w%2FDry+Box+&sort=all&Go.y=3&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&Go.x=15

 

Z

[Maksim 1,504]

correct. 308 and 7.62x51 is the same, nato designation.

 

similar to 223 and 5.56, though there is a difference between the two rounds, most will fire interchangeably.

[Wolfy 51]

You can shoot 223 in a 5.56 not the reverse.

 

You can shoot 7.62X51 in a 308 not reverse.

[zeenon 0]

Ok, so it looks like I might be picking up a Savage 10 FP in the future. Starting to put all the parts together and I don't know what base/rings to get?

 

I have a Nikon Monarch 6-24x50SF that I'll throw on it.

 

I was looking at either:

 

The one piece DNZ mounts:

 

http://www.dnzproducts.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66_6&products_id=49&zenid=m3sbshb5qe3j7tvgpu36an2g47

 

or

 

A picatinny rail:

 

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=889209

 

and 1" rings:

 

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=918191

 

Any suggestions? Should I get the low or med?

 

Z

[Maksim 1,504]

depends on planned distance you will shoot.

 

i personally like the 1 piece rail/mount. You also get a bit more clearence to drop the round in.

[zeenon 0]

maksim,

 

What do you have on yours? I like the pic rail with the warne rings, but Warne makes a low, med, high, extra high set. I'm guessing I need the one rail with med rings for the 50mm obj.

 

Z

[Maksim 1,504]

correct.

 

I have no clue what is on mine... was there when I bought the rifle used.

[Shane45 807]

Go pic rail. That way if you upgrade your scope down the road you just change out the rings. Budget but decent quality, take a look at EGW.

 

http://egw-guns.com/store/index.php?mai ... d21230d9aa

[Maksim 1,504]

Go pic rail. That way if you upgrade your scope down the road you just change out the rings. Budget but decent quality, take a look at EGW.

 

http://egw-guns.com/store/index.php?mai ... d21230d9aa

 

And here I thought if i get a new scope, it needs a new gun. =P

[Shane45 807]

Thats the way it works in my house! Always the justification. New scope, no gun, new gun. New gun no scope new scope

 

Kidding aside, I meant as opposed to a complete 1 piece mount that was referenced above.

http://www.dnzproducts.com/index.php?ma ... pu36an2g47