Shepherd9

It's a forum, after all. Drift and opinions are always going to happen. Ultimately, due to the crazy market, your options may be somewhat limited. Search the shelves and see what's available. Then get to the range and gain familiarity and comfort with it. Ammo is limited in every caliber so stock up on what you can and be prepared to pay a premium for it for the time being. And by the way....... AR!!!!!!!!! Haha

Agree. But i had a lot of fun as a kid learning on a bolt action. Given enough time to start people young it's a great way to begin.

In general, I agree somewhat. Though maybe a bolt or lever action before a hand gun. That is how I was started. Bolt action Lever action Handgun AR But this thread, to my understanding, was what someone was researching for both their first firearm purchase as well as their home defense application hence a different approach in my opinion.

As mentioned in my post... this was practiced with her, excessively, in and around the house and in low light conditions as well as daytime. Her preference is the AR. My preference is the AR. Striker fired handguns come second. My shotguns are in the safe with no intention of being used in the home at this time. She is not a novice, but still, imo she took to the AR quicker than handguns. And again, to each their own.

Always. No debates needed. Different opinion is all. And, yes, safety operation needs to be learned, no doubt.

While it may be your opinion that i'm wrong, that doesn't make it so. I'm not the first to come to such conclusions. Your new shooter in a HD situation likely won't hit the broad side of a barn with a revolver. My wife took easily to handling an AR in and around the house as well as on the range and with far more accuracy advantages than a handgun. To each their own.

Again, handguns require far more practice and efficiency than a rifle. We're discussing a new shooter and what would be most effective at the time. New shooters are terribly inaccurate with a handgun in the beginning, particularly under stress.

I would also add that considerations for home defense weapon should include the possibility of other household members needing to utilize the firearm as well. Again, the simplicity and reliability of the AR translates well across the household.

Respectfully disagree. The AR platform is a proven, accurate, fast and effective rifle for home defense. A semi-automatic rifle would be superior for someone new to firearms for a defensive situation. And with the right ammunition (i.e. not green tips) "over penetration" concerns are on par with most other rounds. A 12 ga shotgun can be quite effective in the right hands. A pump action, just as much so, with the proper training and experience. In a SHTF moment, cycling the weapon will not be instinctive as it is when you're out on a flat range. Fine motor skills deteriorate under adrenaline. While an experienced individual can make very good use of a lever action 30 cal or a shotgun under many situations, a semi-auto rifle will often cover a much wider variety of shooters and situations.

Just to add another manufacturer option... Daniel Defense DDM4's are generally in stock in several places. A little pricey but you are getting a fantastic rifle with quality components out fo the box. As plenty have stated, the market is tough right now concerning availability of firearms, parts and ammunition. I'm a big proponent of building your own AR's where you can select the key components such as barrel, BCG, trigger, receiver, etc. Unfortunately quality parts are very hard to come by these days. At the moment good BCG's are non-existent. Some fully assembled AR's are popping in an out of stock so keep your eyes open and if you're not too shy of a ~$1,700 price point definitely check out the Daniel Defense. If you're in North Jersey, I believe Reloaderz just got a shipment of Troy "Others".

Almost all modified 10/30 pmags are epoxied after the magblock is installed. These are permanently modified magazines and sold as NJ compliant. The intent is to render the magazine permanently limited to 10 rounds. Just because you "can" dissolve or cut through the epoxy does not make it non compliant. There is nothing that can be mechanically done to limit a 30 rd magazine that could not be undone with enough effort.

As the owner of the business, you're father could keep a firearm on the premises. However this is NJ so how it plays out if YOU have to use HIS firearm for defense is going to be complicated.

Kind of agree with Smokin .50 here. It's easy to hate on the NRA lately, and I'm certainly not happy with their spending practices as of late. However, they are the largest pro-2A group in the nation and we will absolutely need them to fight the upcoming administration.

This. Three or four of those cops (at a minimum) were visible to the officer inside the chamber. Several DC cops were almost in the line of fire. They were in the same room as the protesters and were not concerned. The Capital building is also not their home. I get the analogy and can see why we would lean towards it but disagree that it's a fair comparison here.

Keeping both eyes open would be key with iron sights on a pistol. He could easily adjust his posture so that he is sighting with his left eye even with right handed grip. Not an issue. Optics on a rifle.... no choice but to use his right eye if he is shooting right handed. With an optic it may not be much of an indue to use his non-dominant eye but perhaps others could chime in. Eye dominance is just one, usually minor, of the physiological components to shooting. Pretty sure he could adapt and shoot well either way with enough repetition.

Isn't he still wrong? Shouldn't it be A-Person now? Still amazed he pulled gender into "Amen" considering what it means.

We made the list. Maybe need to sell sooner rather than later.

This!

This what the wife and I are debating. Definitely intent on moving out of NJ this year. We were hoping to wait until the summer/fall to put our house on the market but now we're toying with the idea of listing early, and high, and seeing if anyone bites. Definitely need to sell at, or above, what we paid and that would be easy to do right now. If we list in the spring and get an offer we may not have finally decided where we're going! PA would be an easy move for us allowing both of us to keep our current jobs. But PA might not be far enough from the madness. If we end up going any farther, we'd have a lot to work out and would need to rent for awhile. Not looking forward to moving twice.

Just "othered" one of my Aero receiver sets in burnt bronze with a Wilson Combat 11.3" barrel, 300BLK, with the SB brace. Love this thing.

I think i paid around $1200 for my Shadow 2 and it was certainly worth it to me. CZ's are amazing. Now when they're priced at $1700 and up... not sure if i'd go for it.

About 20% from LGS Maybe 30% from internet sales 50% internet parts and some local parts that I built. This was before the boating accident, btw. Only thing left is my Beretta SP O/U....

A sack full of fun range time.

Good thinking. Purchase are always better when it's a package deal.

That about sums it up! The hour nap I just woke up from helped a lot. Now its time for pumpkin pie.