Split cases from Mosin m44 - Pics added

[Celraysoda 7]

I was at BH today and shot the M44 and had a bunch of split cases...anything to be worried about?

[Malsua 1,422]

I was at BH today and shot the M44 and had a bunch of split cases...anything to be worried about?

 

I would try some different ammo...if you're still getting splits, that thing is shot out.

[usnmars 136]

I agree, change ammo and get it headspace checked. If you are anywhere near northwest jersey give me a shout, and I'll do it for ya. Out of the dozens of mosin's that have passed through my hands I've never seen one fail a field gauge though.

[HODGIE 3]

Heavy or light ball?

Split cases can mean a number of things sometimes it can be normal for steel cases since they can

be very brittle. One issue could be the head spacing on the bolt which can be fixed easily by a qualified smith

or even a guy who has a guag and knows how to.

 

 

I have an SKS that will do it to brass every time but not to steel it's a nice shooter and was NIB when I purchased it.

defiantly has not seen it's time and the head space is right on.

[HODGIE 3]

I agree, change ammo and get it headspace checked. If you are anywhere near northwest jersey give me a shout, and I'll do it for ya. Out of the dozens of mosin's that have passed through my hands I've never seen one fail a field gauge though.

 

 

Ahh you beat me to it!

By the way is the bolt matching to the rifle from the factory or EP'd?

[Celraysoda 7]

Heavy or light ball?

Split cases can mean a number of things sometimes it can be normal for steel cases since they can

be very brittle. One issue could be the head spacing on the bolt which can be fixed easily by a qualified smith

or even a guy who has a guag and knows how to.

 

 

I have an SKS that will do it to brass every time but not to steel it's a nice shooter and was NIB when I purchased it.

defiantly has not seen it's time and the head space is right on.

 

I will have to research the ammo, it is all in Russian. I can ask my future Mother-in-law to see if she can find a brand.

 

Yes, it is brass cases and about 2-3 our of 5 shots were split. When I was using Brown Bear steel cases, there were no issues.

[junkmanted 54]

look at the ammo before you shoot it you may see the splits I have seen it a couple times with the 54

[Celraysoda 7]

look at the ammo before you shoot it you may see the splits I have seen it a couple times with the 54

 

I checked a few and see no splits. I will post some pics of the ammo box and the split cases later. Thanks for all the help.

[nickd308 0]

totally off topic but i wanted to pick up an m44, hows it shoot? and how much is one gonna run me?

[Malsua 1,422]

totally off topic but i wanted to pick up an m44, hows it shoot? and how much is one gonna run me?

 

With or without the Bayonet extended?

 

Price will be from $75 to $150 depending on where or who. You can get them for even less if you get them at an auction or someone wants to dump it.

[HODGIE 3]

$75 to $150

 

You find some M-44's for $75.00 then let me know I will buy the whole lot.

I have not seen them at $75.00 in the last 3 years, they are drying up just like the m38's did

and at the last 4 shows have been from $125.00 to $225.00 depending on condition. The cheapest 91/30's

out there these day's are $79.00 and there are way more of them then any other variant.

[Celraysoda 7]

Your right. I have seen M44s on Gun Broker for $250 +. I got a great deal on mine from Wangsly.

 

They shoot pretty well. Not as accurate as the 91/30 but pretty damn close. These will be the brightest and loudest things at the range.

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[usnmars 136]

they are actually quite frequently at the shop in town for 75-100, next time I come home I'll give ya a shout if I see any.

[Celraysoda 7]

they are actually quite frequently at the shop in town for 75-100, next time I come home I'll give ya a shout if I see any.

 

What store is this? I will be in that area next Sunday.

[Guest]

i bet that you were shooting old surplus ammo -

[Celraysoda 7]

 

 

[usnmars 136]

that looks like the brass cased yugo ammo made by privi. Try some lacquered or copper washed steel case ammo and see if it still does it.

 

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[wangsly 47]

Ive never seen splits like that. Headspace issues are usually seen around the rim of the case rather then the side. The ammo you have looks like Yugo 1967 copper washed steel rather then brass. I have Yugoslavian ammo from 1981 that is brass. Put a magnet on it to know for sure.

I would guess the splitting is coming from the rigid steel cases not being able to expand.

[nickd308 0]

they are actually quite frequently at the shop in town for 75-100, next time I come home I'll give ya a shout if I see any.

 

What store is this? I will be in that area next Sunday.

 

Ill take the ride also, my local shop had one for $400

[junkmanted 54]

Looks like copper wash to me whats the head stamp ?

I say its the ammo if it was head space ,, the rim would split and if it was a worn chamber buy the looks of that split the case would be stuck in there .

I would like to take a micrometer to a couple of the unfired cases I'm just wondering if there under size but thats just a thought.

 

check ammo here

 

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmoID.htm

[Celraysoda 7]

I love that Mosin site! Looks like I have 8 boxes of Yugo repack.

 

[XDJohnTact 49]

A little hard to make out, do you have a larger picture? :shock:

[junkmanted 54]

A little hard to make out, do you have a larger picture? :shock:

 

[Guest]

age cracks from surface tension of case around bullet - try some different ammo - definitely not a headspace problem - if you continue to use that ammo it will erode your rifles chamber -

[junkmanted 54]

Heres a picture of some bad casings I saved over the years .

Left shell bad ammo see crack at neck 2 and 3 PSL with bad head space the gun shot fine with LB but with copper wash HB not fun.

last 2 are from a 1919.

[HODGIE 3]

they are actually quite frequently at the shop in town for 75-100, next time I come home I'll give ya a shout if I see any.

 

 

Yes please let me know, I would easily buy a few at $75.00-$100.00 each.

Even Sarco couldn't come close to that a few weeks ago, the cheapest one they had was $150.00 and the bore l=

looked a mess, lot's of pitting and rust.

[HODGIE 3]

Left shell bad ammo see crack at neck 2 and 3 PSL with bad head space the gun shot fine with LB but with copper wash HB not fun.

 

Psl's are rated for light ball only, which could have easily been the issue with the heavy ball, the action is

giving and taking a beaten with the HB.

[junkmanted 54]

Psl's are rated for light ball only, which could have easily been the issue with the heavy ball, the action is

giving and taking a beaten with the HB.

 

 

Ya I found out the hard way LB only ,,, I think I posted that a month ago !!!

I ordered the gauges anyway and it took the no go so I re set the head space.

The funny thing is I ran 300 + rounds through her before I got the gauges. And I added a buffer because I had that waffle red mark on my shoulder and it helps .

I ran about 200 after re setting it