Carrying around copy of FID card?

[flyingcowofdoom 0]

Can anyone discuss the legal ramifications of carrying a copy of my FID card in my wallet and leaving the original in my safe at home? I'd rather not have anything happen to my original FID card, so I thought maybe I would copy it using my scanner and printer and carry that in my wallet instead. Is this a "really bad idea"?

 

My first thought is that if I use the duplicate to purchase a firearm it should be fine, since the card itself is not what gives me the legal status to purchase handguns, it's the application process, of which the card proves I undertook. Then again, I don't want to be arrested for fraud or something... Thoughts?

 

--FCOD

[Malsua 1,422]

A copy of your Firearms Purchase ID is not your firearms Purchase ID.

 

No one will accept it.

[flyingcowofdoom 0]

I am not sure you understand that I'm talking about a full color, laminated, double-sided reproduction. I work in the graphics industry and I am not worried about it looking fake unless you examine it really closely. I doubt anyone would ever notice, and if they did I could just come back with the original. I'm not concerned with being rejected, I'm concerned about being arrested.

 

--FCOD

[Shane45 807]

In this state, methinks thats a valid concern!

[Malsua 1,422]

I am not sure you understand that I'm talking about a full color, laminated, double-sided reproduction. I work in the graphics industry and I am not worried about it looking fake unless you examine it really closely. I doubt anyone would ever notice, and if they did I could just come back with the original. I'm not concerned with being rejected, I'm concerned about being arrested.

 

--FCOD

 

Well, if you're in for a penny, go in for a pound. If I were to make a copy, I'd scan it, touch it up in Photoshop, print it using the same weight paper stock without my fingerprint and actually ink up my finger and put my print on there. I would make it indistinguishable from the original.

 

Legally, it's not from the department so you're probably violating some law. That's just my WAG though.

[matt6669 71]

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm why not just carry the original???

 

Get it laminated and be done with it.

 

M

[flyingcowofdoom 0]

Because I hear it takes just as long to get it replaced as it does to get it in the first place (4 months in my town) and I don't wanna take any chances.

 

--FCOD

[LibertyOrDeath 3]

I am not sure you understand that I'm talking about a full color, laminated, double-sided reproduction. I work in the graphics industry and I am not worried about it looking fake unless you examine it really closely. I doubt anyone would ever notice, and if they did I could just come back with the original. I'm not concerned with being rejected, I'm concerned about being arrested.

 

--FCOD

 

Well, if you're in for a penny, go in for a pound. If I were to make a copy, I'd scan it, touch it up in Photoshop, print it using the same weight paper stock without my fingerprint and actually ink up my finger and put my print on there. I would make it indistinguishable from the original.

 

Legally, it's not from the department so you're probably violating some law. That's just my WAG though.

These thread responses should be in PM's! Your making a copy of the Police chiefs signature and passing it off as Genuine, and of a legal document of your right to purchase and transport a firearm! Are you F*cking serious to even ask the question? Thats why they have a duplicate box check mark on the ID itself, in a court of law if you were caught I'd bet thats atleast 2 felonies? Thats just an educated guess?

[matt6669 71]

Because I hear it takes just as long to get it replaced as it does to get it in the first place (4 months in my town) and I don't wanna take any chances.

 

--FCOD

 

Don't lose it......................

 

honestly you need the original and i wouldn't take my chance with a fakie.

 

M

[Shane45 807]

To LOD's point, why not apply for a dupe now while you still have the original. I dont know of any law against having a dupe FID???

[Redfish62 1]

I don't think you are going to find anyone on the forum that will agree with you to make a copy. You might be taking a bigger chance using a copy then destroying the original. Just laminate it and stop worrying.

[flyingcowofdoom 0]

Wow, people get really worked up over a hypothetical question, LOL!

 

However, shane has a good idea. I didn't consider that I could apply for a duplicate card without having lost the original. I suppose that's the best way to go about it.

 

--FCOD

[Maksim 1,504]

Don't be stupid. For the same reason why you are not supposed to make copies of your drivers license, social security card, and your FID fits in the same.

 

You are copying a government issued ID which is a no no. Just laminate the thing and keep it in the back of your wallet. Yes, it is longer than a regular 1/2 of the wallet, but once laminated, it will bend right into shape. =)

 

I have yet in the past 16 years or so lose a wallet, so this should not be an issue. If you are that concerned, perhaps make a duplicate fid.

 

and no one is getting worked up..... YOU ARE BREAKING THE FUGGIN LAW, and want people to tell you it is ok to do.... then you say you can go out of your way, use your graphic design skills to pass of your fake as a real one.

[flyingcowofdoom 0]

and no one is getting worked up..... YOU ARE BREAKING THE FUGGIN LAW, and want people to tell you it is ok to do.... then you say you can go out of your way, use your graphic design skills to pass of your fake as a real one.

I am not breaking any law. I was asking if it is against the law to do something. Calling me stupid for asking a question about the legality of an action is neither helpful nor polite.

 

--FCOD

[LibertyOrDeath 3]

Wow, people get really worked up over a hypothetical question, LOL!

 

However, shane has a good idea. I didn't consider that I could apply for a duplicate card without having lost the original. I suppose that's the best way to go about it.

 

--FCOD

I think we all take it so seriously because if 1 individual makes a bad decision having anything to do w/FIREARMS in the publics eye especially in NJ its no different than if we all did! This intern makes any future expierience,transaction and or governing legislature changes that much more difficult for ALL OF US as one. Its bad enough as it is, we dont need to make it worse.

[Maksim 1,504]

You know its a fake and you arent supposed to do it.

 

I am not sure you understand that I'm talking about a full color, laminated, double-sided reproduction. I work in the graphics industry and I am not worried about it looking fake unless you examine it really closely. I doubt anyone would ever notice, and if they did I could just come back with the original. I'm not concerned with being rejected, I'm concerned about being arrested.

 

--FCOD

 

You are falsifying a government ID. The local municipality or the state police issues you one, yet, you want to use a duplicate that you created, and after a few people already tell you no.... you write the above.

 

:snooty:

 

 

Common sense.

 

the matter is not whether you can legally possess a card or not, the problem is that you are making your own FID.

[flyingcowofdoom 0]

I think we all take it so seriously because if 1 individual makes a bad decision having anything to do w/FIREARMS in the publics eye especially in NJ its no different than if we all did! This intern makes any future expierience,transaction and or governing legislature changes that much more difficult for ALL OF US as one. Its bad enough as it is, we dont need to make it worse.

And the way to do that is by mocking me and overreacting? There's a reason why I asked first. Would you rather that I had just gone ahead and made a copy without asking?

 

maksim, I did not really think of the FID card as an official form of ID, just as a permit. Of course, it is called an fID card so I should have thought better. One person ("a few people" told me "nobody would accept a copy" so in order to ensure that my thoughts were clearly illustrated I explained fully my idea. The reason I asked is because I was unsure if it illegal to copy a valid ID (copy, not falsify). The ID itself is a representation of receiving approval, what is the difference between the piece of paper that was issued and the piece of paper I printed? That's all I wanted to know.

 

If you think the appropriate response to that is "Don't be stupid" then I'll be happy to ask my questions on another forum. I could do without the negativity, we get enough of that from our shitty lawmakers in this state.

 

--FCOD

[PK90 3,573]

FYI,

Possessing the fake (not original) FPID card is a fourth degree crime. Exhibiting is a third degree crime. Making is a second degree crime. Selling is a first degree crime.

[autoxnyc 4]

I actually didn't know I have to carry around the original FID when I go to the range. Now why did they make it bigger than a regular DL or credit card so it wouldn't fit properly in many wallets? :roll:

 

As far as the pink slip for handguns. Do I also need to have that with each pistol or is a copy sufficient?

 

thanks,

 

Daniel

[flyingcowofdoom 0]

FYI,

Possessing the fake (not original) FPID card is a fourth degree crime. Exhibiting is a third degree crime. Making is a second degree crime. Selling is a first degree crime.

Exactly the sort of response I thought I would get. Thanks!

 

--FCOD

[Maksim 1,504]

FYI,

Possessing the fake (not original) FPID card is a fourth degree crime. Exhibiting is a third degree crime. Making is a second degree crime. Selling is a first degree crime.

 

what is the difference between processing and making? or is processing = knowingly allowing and accepting someone's fake?

 

FCOD.... we knew it was wrong, but had to wait for an LEO to give you the details.

[flyingcowofdoom 0]

FCOD.... we knew it was wrong, but had to wait for an LEO to give you the details.

My gut told me it was wrong as well, that's why I asked. My advice is to not tell people asking legitimate questions "don't be stupid". It's demeaning, and if I was a new NJGF member and/or didn't have a thick skin I might have been scared away. As far as I am concerned the more people that read this forum, the better our chances of improving NJ firearms laws. Just something to think about.

 

--FCOD

[mike 14]

under N.J.S. 2c:58-3C REVOCATION OF YOUR F.I.D MAY OCCUR TO ANY PERSON WHO FALSIFIES INFORMATION ON THE APPLICATION FORM.

[flyingcowofdoom 0]

Speaking of bringing your FID card to the range, has anyone ever shot at a range in Pennsy? Do they ask for your FID card? I know they are a bit more lax over there and there's a range across the border about 20 minutes from my house, I'm thinking about checking it out some time. I don't usually carry the card around with me due to my paranoia, so if they don't require it I might leave it at home.

 

--FCOD

[Maksim 1,504]

Speaking of bringing your FID card to the range, has anyone ever shot at a range in Pennsy? Do they ask for your FID card? I know they are a bit more lax over there and there's a range across the border about 20 minutes from my house, I'm thinking about checking it out some time. I don't usually carry the card around with me due to my paranoia, so if they don't require it I might leave it at home.

 

--FCOD

 

 

No one is trying to be rude or disrespectful. You asked and your question was answered. You gut told you it was illegal to do that... however then you post stating that you can make it look like the real thing. :naughty:

 

As far as the FID, I have only been asked for my FID when I am buying something, or joined a range, however not when I visited ranges to shoot. In any case, I always carry my FID. You know dont when you will need to use it, walk into a gun store and a great deal, or find ammo on sale. Only times I had to use it out of state was to purchase long guns in stores and gun shows.

[flyingcowofdoom 0]

No one is trying to be rude or disrespectful.

I consider saying "don't be stupid" to be rude and disrepectful. I guess I just feel differently about it than you. Forget about it. Ultimately my question was answered and it looks like I'll be spending the next four months waiting for a duplicate so I don't have to worry, LOL

 

--FCOD

[LibertyOrDeath 3]

FYI,

Possessing the fake (not original) FPID card is a fourth degree crime. Exhibiting is a third degree crime. Making is a second degree crime. Selling is a first degree crime.

+1 So glad we have LE in the forum to make it plain and simple!

[PK90 3,573]

Let me clarify. The statute reads "falsely purports to be ...". If you made a black and white photocopy to carry with you, I do not see a problem.

[autoxnyc 4]

Let me clarify. The statute reads "falsely purports to be ...". If you made a black and white photocopy to carry with you, I do not see a problem.

 

So are we required to carry the original copy of the FID card when going to a range or a copy of it is OK? What about handgun permits?

 

thanks,

 

- Daniel

[flyingcowofdoom 0]

Let me clarify. The statute reads "falsely purports to be ...". If you made a black and white photocopy to carry with you, I do not see a problem.

Thanks, but as previously stated I doubt that anyone would accept it

 

At any rate, I find the statue "interesting". Why is it illegal to have an exact copy of a valid ID? Obviously a faked ID that contains false information should be illegal, but why should a "proxy" of a valid ID? I suppose it is easier to identify copies of IDs with false information if you ban every form of copy.

 

--FCOD