njpilot 671 Posted August 9, 2010 Joined! 5 years for $50. Beats the NRA, cheaper and they do more for us! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chefhunter34 1 Posted August 9, 2010 So what do they do politically? It seems like a great idea and organization, but I would like to hear more about this. Anyone with intimate details let me know please... before I go plunking down $50. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njpilot 671 Posted August 9, 2010 So what do they do politically? It seems like a great idea and organization, but I would like to hear more about this. Anyone with intimate details let me know please... before I go plunking down $50. These are the guys that filed suit in DC and Chicago: SAF SUES IN NEW YORK TO VOID 'GOOD CAUSE' CARRY PERMIT REQUIREMENT BELLEVUE, WA - The Second Amendment Foundation has filed a federal lawsuit against Westchester County, New York and its handgun permit licensing officers, seeking a permanent injunction against enforcement of a state law that allows carry licenses to be denied because applicants cannot show "good cause." SAF is joined in the lawsuit by Alan Kachalsky and Christina Nikolov, both Westchester County residents whose permit applications were denied. Kachalsky's denial was because he could not "demonstrate a need for self protection distinguishable from that of the general public." Nikolov's was denied because she could not demonstrate that there was "any type of threat to her own safety anywhere." In addition to Westchester County, Susan Cacace and Jeffrey Cohen, both serving at times as handgun permit licensing officers, are named as defendants. The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, White Plains Division. Attorney Alan Gura is representing the plaintiffs, along with attorney Vincent Gelardi with Gelardi & Randazzo of Rye Brook, NY. Gura recently represented SAF and the Illinois State Rifle Association in their landmark Second Amendment Supreme Court victory over the City of Chicago. Under New York Penal Code ||167|| 400.00, handgun carry permit applicants must "demonstrate good cause for the issuance of a permit," the lawsuit alleges. This requirement violates the Second Amendment, according to the plaintiffs. "American citizens like Alan Kachalsky and Christina Nikolov should not have to demonstrate good cause in order to exercise a constitutionally-protected civil right," noted SAF Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb. "Our civil rights, including the right to keep and bear arms, should not be subject to the whims of a local government or its employees, just because they don't think someone needs' a carry permit. Nobody advocates arming criminals or mental defectives, but honest citizens with clean records should not be denied out of hand. "Thanks to our recent victory before the Supreme Court," Gottlieb stated, "the Second Amendment now applies to state and local governments. Our lawsuit is a reminder to state and local bureaucrats that we have a Bill of Rights in this country, not a Bill of Needs'." The case is filed as Kachalsky v. Cacase, U.S. Dist. Ct. S.D. N.Y. 10-05413 The Second Amendment Foundation (http://www.saf.org) is the nation's oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 650,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control. SAF has previously funded successful firearms-related suits against the cities of Los Angeles; New Haven, CT; and San Francisco on behalf of American gun owners, a lawsuit against the cities suing gun makers and an amicus brief and fund for the Emerson case holding the Second Amendment as an individual right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joejaxx 38 Posted August 9, 2010 So what do they do politically? It seems like a great idea and organization, but I would like to hear more about this. Anyone with intimate details let me know please... before I go plunking down $50. These are the guys that filed suit in DC and Chicago: SAF SUES IN NEW YORK TO VOID 'GOOD CAUSE' CARRY PERMIT REQUIREMENT BELLEVUE, WA - The Second Amendment Foundation has filed a federal lawsuit against Westchester County, New York and its handgun permit licensing officers, seeking a permanent injunction against enforcement of a state law that allows carry licenses to be denied because applicants cannot show "good cause." SAF is joined in the lawsuit by Alan Kachalsky and Christina Nikolov, both Westchester County residents whose permit applications were denied. Kachalsky's denial was because he could not "demonstrate a need for self protection distinguishable from that of the general public." Nikolov's was denied because she could not demonstrate that there was "any type of threat to her own safety anywhere." In addition to Westchester County, Susan Cacace and Jeffrey Cohen, both serving at times as handgun permit licensing officers, are named as defendants. The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, White Plains Division. Attorney Alan Gura is representing the plaintiffs, along with attorney Vincent Gelardi with Gelardi & Randazzo of Rye Brook, NY. Gura recently represented SAF and the Illinois State Rifle Association in their landmark Second Amendment Supreme Court victory over the City of Chicago. Under New York Penal Code ||167|| 400.00, handgun carry permit applicants must "demonstrate good cause for the issuance of a permit," the lawsuit alleges. This requirement violates the Second Amendment, according to the plaintiffs. "American citizens like Alan Kachalsky and Christina Nikolov should not have to demonstrate good cause in order to exercise a constitutionally-protected civil right," noted SAF Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb. "Our civil rights, including the right to keep and bear arms, should not be subject to the whims of a local government or its employees, just because they don't think someone needs' a carry permit. Nobody advocates arming criminals or mental defectives, but honest citizens with clean records should not be denied out of hand. "Thanks to our recent victory before the Supreme Court," Gottlieb stated, "the Second Amendment now applies to state and local governments. Our lawsuit is a reminder to state and local bureaucrats that we have a Bill of Rights in this country, not a Bill of Needs'." The case is filed as Kachalsky v. Cacase, U.S. Dist. Ct. S.D. N.Y. 10-05413 The Second Amendment Foundation (http://www.saf.org) is the nation's oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 650,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control. SAF has previously funded successful firearms-related suits against the cities of Los Angeles; New Haven, CT; and San Francisco on behalf of American gun owners, a lawsuit against the cities suing gun makers and an amicus brief and fund for the Emerson case holding the Second Amendment as an individual right. OR This one: SAF SUES IN MARYLAND OVER HANDGUN PERMIT DENIAL For Immediate Release: 7/29/2010 BELLEVUE, WA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted August 10, 2010 Joined! 5 years for $50. Beats the NRA, cheaper and they do more for us! I don't see the 5 year option on the membership sign-up page. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joelk 61 Posted August 10, 2010 New life member here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njpilot 671 Posted August 11, 2010 Joined! 5 years for $50. Beats the NRA, cheaper and they do more for us! I don't see the 5 year option on the membership sign-up page. They show it on this page. I called up and they said there was a problem with it not being on the actual sign up page. You can call them and do it over the phone if you want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNRA 12 Posted August 11, 2010 Available Membership Levels * $15 Annual * $50 5-Year * $150 Life (Defenders Club) * $1000 Patron (Committee of One Thousand) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FFDP82 4 Posted August 11, 2010 So what do they do politically? It seems like a great idea and organization, but I would like to hear more about this. Anyone with intimate details let me know please... before I go plunking down $50. Heller McDonald Pending Lawsuits in DC, NY, MD, IL, NC What rock you been living under? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted August 11, 2010 Joined! 5 years for $50. Beats the NRA, cheaper and they do more for us! :text-goodpost: I did the 5 year plan too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNRA 12 Posted August 12, 2010 yeah im gonna make some more donations when I get caught up on these bills and after I get the Florida CCW paperwork in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tuktuk 16 Posted August 12, 2010 but how are they different from NRA or GOA? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njpilot 671 Posted August 12, 2010 In a nutshell, they filed and won the Heller case and the McDonald case. They have currently filed in Westchester County, NY and in MD to fight, refusal to issue in NY and refusal to renew in MD, CCW permits on the basis of needing to show a justifiable need. If they win these cases, it could be a big force for change in the "justifiable need" here in NJ. they seem to be doing a lot more for 2A rights then the NRA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 12, 2010 but how are they different from NRA.. my guess would be they actually DO something other than just TAKE your money.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tuktuk 16 Posted August 13, 2010 but how are they different from NRA.. my guess would be they actually DO something other than just TAKE your money.. 8) lets hope so cause im gonna join in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tuktuk 16 Posted August 18, 2010 so i joined like 3 days ago or so. paid for life membership (i think its called defenderz club or smtin) ... but i still didnt get a conformation email. is that normal ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNRA 12 Posted August 18, 2010 I got a letter in the mail, it took about a week or so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted August 18, 2010 I got a letter in the mail, it took about a week or so. Same here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chefhunter34 1 Posted August 18, 2010 Heller McDonald Pending Lawsuits in DC, NY, MD, IL, NC What rock you been living under? No rock, just avoid the media and all the good things they report in the news. Seems I am not the only one here that is "under the rock" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigBlueQ 7 Posted August 31, 2010 $50 5-Year! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites