Florida CCW License Program EXPANDS to North Jersey!

[GoNRA 12]

It's Arizona now, not Florida homie.

 

And what Maks said, I travel to Pennsy alot and I'd like to be able to defend myself if need be.

 

I think I remember reading somewhere that you have to obtain a PA address to carry in PA. You may want to check PA laws regarding carry, I can't remember where I read that.

 

 

Found this:

 

What are the changes regarding reciprocity with Florida. It was suggested that only State Residents of Florida would receive reciprocal privileges?

 

Note: It has come to the attention of the Office of Attorney General that there has been confusion over the applicability of Pennsylvania's reciprocal privileges with regard to the residency status of an individual who has been issued a valid license/permit. It is the position of the Office of Attorney General that recognition within Pennsylvania is based on the issuance to an individual of a valid license/permit by the reciprocal contracting state, and not on the license/permit holder's place of residence.

 

More information here:

 

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184

 

yeah, check this out:

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html

 

(4) These states will honor the Florida concealed weapon license ONLY IF the licensee is a resident of the State of Florida.

 

QUESTION 4. I have a Florida Concealed Weapon/Firearm License, but I am not a legal resident of Florida. Can I travel to the states that recognize Florida licenses and still carry a concealed weapon?

 

Most of the reciprocity states will honor Florida non-resident permits; however, authorities in a number of states have informed us that there are specific provisions in their laws that restrict the terms of their mutual recognition agreements ONLY to the LICENSED RESIDENTS of other states. Therefore, those individuals who hold Florida licenses but who are not residents of Florida cannot carry concealed weapons in these states. Please take careful note of those states listed above that have a reference to Footnote 4 after them.

 

BE ADVISED: Because gun laws are subject to change or different interpretation by state courts, we recommend that non-resident Florida licensees call or write licensing authorities in the states in which they will be traveling to obtain the latest information on this important topic.

 

Contacting the PA state police might be the best solution.

[mipafox 438]

I think I remember reading somewhere that you have to obtain a PA address to carry in PA. You may want to check PA laws regarding carry, I can't remember where I read that.

 

 

Found this:

 

What are the changes regarding reciprocity with Florida. It was suggested that only State Residents of Florida would receive reciprocal privileges?

 

Note: It has come to the attention of the Office of Attorney General that there has been confusion over the applicability of Pennsylvania's reciprocal privileges with regard to the residency status of an individual who has been issued a valid license/permit. It is the position of the Office of Attorney General that recognition within Pennsylvania is based on the issuance to an individual of a valid license/permit by the reciprocal contracting state, and not on the license/permit holder's place of residence.

 

More information here:

 

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184

 

 

Did you see the link I provided earlier in this very thread to handgunlaw.us carry map? Trust me, you can carry in PA on either AZ or Florida. Of course, there is the federal 1000-foot school zone thing. BTW, you cannot get a PA license living in NJ unless you have an NJ PCH. No exceptions, so don't worry about that.

 

Also consider that if you are an NJ resident you should go for Florida because Florida does not recognize any non-resident licenses except it's own.

[Ray Ray 3,566]

Thanks Mipafox, sending it out once the prints are done!

[mipafox 438]

Glad I could help. But you are going to end up visiting Florida sooner or later!

 

If you plan to carry at the Cabelas meet you better get your prints in order fast. Don't break any NJ laws transporting.

 

Would also be nice if you think through what you are actually going to do with the thing should the need arise. Don't shoot any PA people just because they lift their shirt to show you something!

 

There is some safety in numbers. But you will need to figure it out eventually. Before the moment you need to have it figured it out.

[Ray Ray 3,566]

thanks for the advice bro

 

btw, me and SJ shooter aren't the only ones that took your link and applied for that AZ permit. You started something big there!

[Bob B 103]

Once you get FL or AZ (no reason not to get both) I suggest that you get CT, NH and ME. They do not accept non-res permits so to carry there you must have that state's permit. They are easy to get, although CT does require NRA basic pistol or equivalent. CT is "May Issue" but will issue if your reason is self-defense.

 

[mipafox 438]

You forgot Mass. $100 a year!!!! lol

 

No thanks, I think I'll just pass through!

[mrjam2jab 9]

I think I remember reading somewhere that you have to obtain a PA address to carry in PA. You may want to check PA laws regarding carry, I can't remember where I read that.

 

 

Found this:

 

What are the changes regarding reciprocity with Florida. It was suggested that only State Residents of Florida would receive reciprocal privileges?

 

Note: It has come to the attention of the Office of Attorney General that there has been confusion over the applicability of Pennsylvania's reciprocal privileges with regard to the residency status of an individual who has been issued a valid license/permit. It is the position of the Office of Attorney General that recognition within Pennsylvania is based on the issuance to an individual of a valid license/permit by the reciprocal contracting state, and not on the license/permit holder's place of residence.

 

 

Contacting the PA state police might be the best solution.

 

There are no residency restrictions on reciprocity in PA.

 

Thanks Mipafox, sending it out once the prints are done!

 

Buy an ink pad and do them yourself. Roll the individual fingers in upper boxes, "stamp" the 4 fingers and thumb in lower boxes. It's not like FL that requires the prints be done by LEO.

 

Once you get FL or AZ (no reason not to get both) I suggest that you get CT, NH and ME. They do not accept non-res permits so to carry there you must have that state's permit. They are easy to get, although CT does require NRA basic pistol or equivalent. CT is "May Issue" but will issue if your reason is self-defense.

 

NH and ME do not honor non-resident permits...CT does not honor ANY other permits.

 

That said, all 3 are easy to get.

[Ray Ray 3,566]

I'll get the AZ one first, and once they pass the recopricity law I'll be good to go!

[mipafox 438]

...Buy an ink pad and do them yourself. Roll the individual fingers in upper boxes, "stamp" the 4 fingers and thumb in lower boxes. It's not like FL that requires the prints be done by LEO...

 

Just an FYI, I've read of a couple cases where the permit was delayed for up to a month because the prints were not legible. I think in both cases the prints were taken by LEO. I would only do them myself as a last resort.

[Ray Ray 3,566]

Mailed out my stuff this morning, let's see how long it takes!

 

Once again, thanks to mipafox for the link and hookup.

[mipafox 438]

Mailed out my stuff this morning, let's see how long it takes!

 

Once again, thanks to mipafox for the link and hookup.

 

 

I believe. And I am gifted with the ability to tell fortunes. I predict your wait will be less than the wait on the last Form 4 I sent to the ATF

[Ray Ray 3,566]

I believe. And I am gifted with the ability to tell fortunes. I predict your wait will be less than the wait on the last Form 4 I sent to the ATF

 

So like how long is that?

[Downr@nge 22]

Just got my Florida license yesterday. Only 35 days from beginning to end!

[mrjam2jab 9]

Mailed out my stuff this morning, let's see how long it takes!

 

 

1 week.

[Ray Ray 3,566]

1 week.

 

If it gets here before the 29th then the Cabela's trip will be awesome! A van full of dudes carrying guns, hope we don't get pulled over.

[imperialfish 11]

WOW I totally miss this

 

Are there going to be any more coming in the future ?? Bullet Hole or Bayonne

[Ray Ray 3,566]

WOW I totally miss this

 

Are there going to be any more coming in the future ?? Bullet Hole or Bayonne

 

NJ2A is doing it again in February some time. Order the AZ one or Florida one and your ready to go!

[CageFighter 236]

Once you get FL or AZ (no reason not to get both) I suggest that you get CT, NH and ME. They do not accept non-res permits so to carry there you must have that state's permit. They are easy to get, although CT does require NRA basic pistol or equivalent. CT is "May Issue" but will issue if your reason is self-defense.

 

I got FL & Maine. Shootin for AZ next! CT is after, need to be strapped after I take all my winnings from Mohegan Sun/Foxwoods and party in Mystic!

[mrjam2jab 9]

I got FL & Maine. Shootin for AZ next! CT is after, need to be strapped after I take all my winnings from Mohegan Sun/Foxwoods and party in Mystic!

 

I have AZ and CT...ME is next. FYI...CT permit does NOT cover you on the Reservations/casinos. The reservations have their own govt/carry permits....and I hear they're like NJ on issuing.

[Frank Jack Fiamingo 58]

NJ2A is doing it again in February some time. Order the AZ one or Florida one and your ready to go!

 

The NJ2AS will be running the Florida CCW Licensing Program at our monthly meeting on Wednesday February 16th at Gun For Hire on 75 Rutgers Street in Belleville, NJ. Processing starts at 7:30PM. The cost for the processing is $25.00 for NJ2AS members and $50.00 for non-members. You can join the NJ2AS at the meeting and get both a membership and the processing for $50.00

 

Also, the featured speakers that evening will be Anthony Colandro, Firearms Training expert and our host for the evening, and attorney Dan Schmutter who successfully filed amicus briefs in both the Heller and McDonald Supreme Court cases on behalf of the Jews For The Preservation Of Firearms. Both Anthony and Dan are EXCELLENT presenters. It will be a phenomenal meeting. I hope you can all attend. There is no cost to attend the meeting, and everyone is invited. Please feel free to bring any interested friends or family members.

 

Thank you,

[mipafox 438]

If it gets here before the 29th then the Cabela's trip will be awesome! A van full of dudes carrying guns, hope we don't get pulled over.

 

Happens all the time. Don't worry about it. Once you get to our side of the river

 

I get nervous when MGs/SBRs/SBSs start overflowing from the trunk into the back seat. Especially when one of the party ran out of gun cases and gun socks :| Don't want that type of confusion with so much money at stake.

[GoNRA 12]

Happens all the time. Don't worry about it. Once you get to our side of the river

 

I get nervous when MGs/SBRs/SBSs start overflowing from the trunk into the back seat. Especially when one of the party ran out of gun cases and gun socks :| Don't want that type of confusion with so much money at stake.

 

hey Mipa you seem like you know about PA laws quite well, is there any provisions regarding carry in Philly? Or a PA city?

[mrjam2jab 9]

hey Mipa you seem like you know about PA laws quite well, is there any provisions regarding carry in Philly? Or a PA city?

 

 

The only difference...would be Philly...where a permit is required for OPEN or CONCEALED...whereas the rest of the state only requires a permit for concealed. Permit required for carry in vehicle throughout the state.

[mipafox 438]

The only difference...would be Philly...where a permit is required for OPEN or CONCEALED...whereas the rest of the state only requires a permit for concealed. Permit required for carry in vehicle throughout the state.

 

The license (or out of state permit) is also required for simply TRANSPORTING a handgun, SBR, or SBS by vehicle at all. Just like NJ, you can't transport a handgun in a car, even unloaded in the trunk, unless you are going to a range, gunsmith, etc. There are more exceptions in PA but I don't want to confuse the issue. Just get a license/permit to carry from another state.

 

That is, as far as PA is concerned.

 

As far as NJ is concerned, make sure you are legal while driving on your way to PA. "I'm going to PA" is not a legal reason to have an unloaded handgun in your trunk when pulled over in NJ. Some people think federal FOPA applies. If you believe that, you better pay an expert lawyer on the subject that has won cases of people driving out of NJ with no other justification for having a handgun in the trunk.

[Ray Ray 3,566]

Got my Arizona permit! Took exactly 2 weeks. Big shout out to Ed (mipafox) for cluing me in on the ease of obtaining said permit.

[vladtepes 1,060]

Some people think federal FOPA applies.

 

site the guidelines for FOPA and then point to which part does not apply.. that would be hugely helpful since MANY of us do carry in PA...

 

legal at starting point (my home).. CHECK my Glock 23 is legally owned in the state of NJ

legal at destination (PA)... CHECK I have a license to carry a firearm that PA recognizes

 

purpose

self defense.... FOPA recognizes self defense as a reason to carry a firearm..

 

 

if you could give one factual bit of data to prove what you said.. it would be important.. but you can't.. PK90 posted FOPA in its entirety... and it literally states that you can transport your gun from one state to another providing they are legal at the start and destination.. and provided it is for a lawful purpose... and they are carried in a non readily accessible manor until the destination is reached...

 

I am not trying to give you a hard time.. I am just a little sick of hearing that it is not legal to do that just because someone on the internet says so.. when the law clearly states that it is..

 

the gun is legal at the beginning of my journey and legal at the end.. I am satisfying NJ law in regards to transport (in the trunk unloaded etc..) and I am carrying the gun for a lawful purpose...

[vladtepes 1,060]

Interstate Transportation of Firearms In response to reports of hunters being arrested for firearms law violations while passing through a state with tight controls,[488] FOPA's drafters inserted provisions to offer protection for such travel. S. 49 as introduced provided that any provision of state or local law "which prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting the transportation of a firearm or ammunition in interstate commerce through such state, when such firearm is unloaded and not readily accessible, (p.677)shall be null and void."[489] On the Senate floor, an amendment was accepted which changed this in two respects: (1) the protection was extended only to persons not prohibited by the Gun Control Act from transporting, shipping or receiving a firearm; and (2) the provision that an infringing law was to be null and void was dropped in favor of a simpler declaration that the transportation was allowed notwithstanding any such law.[490] The rationale for the former change should be apparent. The rationale for the latter was a concern that, if the provisions that "have the effect" of inhibiting interstate transport were declared "null and void," entire sections of state law might be challenged and voided as to all purposes.[491] In this form the provisions passed the Senate,[492] and an identical provision was inserted in the bill that passed the House.[493]

 

Upon transmittal of the House bill to the Senate, the Senate passed both it and an amendatory bill, S. 2414, which greatly affected this section. S. 2414 narrowed the right of travel by providing that it was a right "to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearms"; moreover, both firearm and ammunition must not only be not "readily accessible" but also not "directly accessible from the passenger compartment."[494] The restriction to transport to and from areas where the arms might be lawfully possessed was apparently a counter to criticisms that the bill might otherwise bar arrest of the owner in his own state, under that state's laws, if he argued he was beginning a permitted transportation.[495] The second change was intended to rule out carrying in a glove compartment,[496] which the Senate (p.678)reports had indicated would qualify as "not readily accessible" under FOPA.[497] On the other hand, S. 2414 seemingly widened the allowable transportation by requiring, not that it be "interstate commerce," but that it simply be "from any place" of lawful possession "to any place" of the same.[498] The House passed the Senate bill without amendment.[499]

 

Enactment of S. 2414 does leave some questions unanswered. Fortunately, its late origin has given us a legislative history adequate to address most issues.

 

 

Accessibility

The first question is obvious: what is "not readily accessible"? We can easily discard the horrible hypotheticals raised during the House debates on FOPA, that a briefcase behind the seat would meet this test,[500] or that "inaccessible in most cases probably means concealed."[501] In practical terms, the requirement of inaccessibility is essentially subsumed in S. 2414's requirement that the firearm be stored outside the passenger compartment. If storage in a locked glove compartment was sufficient to meet the accessibility test, as the legislative history clearly indicates,[502] the (p.679)required storage outside the passenger compartment should clearly suffice.

 

 

Purposes

A second question is likewise obvious. For what purposes may the transportation be undertaken? FOPA itself had no requirements relative to the underlying purpose.[503] Opponents of FOPA criticized this lack,[504] but did not carry the day; a House amendment that would essentially have required that the transportation be for defined sporting purposes was decisively defeated.[505] S. 2414 does insert a purpose requirement, but one far broader than that proposed unsuccessfully in the House; the transportation may be for "any lawful purpose."[506] The omission of "sporting" or its equivalent is apparent and would suggest that the transporting party may intend any lawful purpose, including self-defense, at his or her destination.

 

Lawful Carrying at Origin and Destination

S. 2414 would require that the transportation be from an area where the person may possess "and carry" the arm to a place where he may do the same.[507] This raises the question of what manner of carrying is being addressed. Carrying restrictions can vary; in some states concealed carrying is banned, while open carrying is subject to no regulation.[508] Others require a permit to carry on or about the person, regardless of purpose,[509] while others only restrict carrying for non-sporting purposes.[510] The legislative history reflects an intention of a simple and pragmatic test: the transporter must be entitled to carry in the way he carries during the transportation; he must be legally qualified to carry an (p.680)unloaded, inaccessible firearm outside a vehicle's passenger compartment both where he begins and where he ends his journey.[511]

 

 

Nature of the Transportation

The shift from transportation "in interstate commerce" to transportation from one "place" to another[512] raises an initial question of whether intrastate trips through a locality with restrictive firearms laws might be covered. There is no explanation of the deletion of "in interstate commerce" in S. 2414's legislative history. On the more general question of whether it was intended to reach intrastate trips, the legislative history implies, but not unequivocally, that interstate trips remain the target. One Representative, for instance, mentioned that both FOPA and S. 2414 cover trips "in interstate commerce,"[513] but received a response that travelers are protected "after they leave the boundaries of their state or local jurisdiction."[514] The responding Representative then, only a few moments later, described S. 2414 as a protection "for interstate travelers."[515] Conversely, even with its restriction to travels in interstate commerce, it had been suggested that FOPA would reach travel within a state.[516] The better reading would probably be to restrict the coverage of this section to interstate commerce, particularly in light of the preamble's failure to make findings that protection of intrastate trips was necessary to a valid federal objective.[517]

[vladtepes 1,060]

just to add.. it is irrelevant that NJ doesn't have a provision to recognize it.. because the whole purpose is to supersede individual state law.. the first sentence that I quoted states that.. the purpose is because it is state to state travel.. and each state has different laws.. there is one blanket provision that is to keep legal law abiding gun owners out of trouble due to specific gun laws..

[mipafox 438]

site the guidelines for FOPA and then point to which part does not apply.. that would be hugely helpful since MANY of us do carry in PA...

 

legal at starting point (my home).. CHECK my Glock 23 is legally owned in the state of NJ

legal at destination (PA)... CHECK I have a license to carry a firearm that PA recognizes

 

purpose

self defense.... FOPA recognizes self defense as a reason to carry a firearm..

 

 

if you could give one factual bit of data to prove what you said.. it would be important.. but you can't.. PK90 posted FOPA in its entirety... and it literally states that you can transport your gun from one state to another providing they are legal at the start and destination.. and provided it is for a lawful purpose... and they are carried in a non readily accessible manor until the destination is reached...

 

I don't have any problem with that. I happen to think you are incorrect. I'm not going to

"Site..."

(sic) anything. You have seen everything I have to say on the subject. And you clearly have looked into it, hopefully on both sides. I've already stated I'm not going to argue with people about this.

 

I am not trying to give you a hard time.. I am just a little sick of hearing that it is not legal to do that just because someone on the internet says so.. when the law clearly states that it is..

 

You're going to hear it again. Whenever it comes up. But I'm not going to argue with you about it.

 

I don't think anybody should believe a word you said on the internet, so no worries there. Let alone what I say on the internet. One thing is for certain. This is NOT settled law. A whole lot of people smarter than both you and I disagree with you. And it seems some people from the NRA have agreed with you, and others as well. You've looked into it, you're informed, you've made your decision. Do I know for certain? No. I don't. Should you tell people it's perfectly legal? I would include a disclaimer. But that's me.

 

the gun is legal at the beginning of my journey and legal at the end.. I am satisfying NJ law in regards to transport (in the trunk unloaded etc..) and I am carrying the gun for a lawful purpose...

 

Why do you keep bring up that you are satisfying NJ law "(in the trunk unloaded etc..)"? You are breaking NJ law. We already went over this before and you said that's not what you meant the first time. "(in the trunk unloaded etc..)" does not satisfy NJ law for possession of a handgun. You have no reason to satisfy NJ law if you are relying on FOPA and you are not satisfying NJ law anyway. Please stop saying that. You are breaking NJ law, and relying on FOPA. You are confusing people who may read this in the future. They need to make an informed decision on this, whichever decision they come to.