Legalized pot helps gun owners?

[Zed's_Dead 16]

Maybe according to this article.

 

http://www.guns.com/ex-nra-spokesman-creates-new-gun-group-that-supports-legalizing-pot-7456.html

[lunker 274]

Prohibition has always made a nice profit margin for the bad guys. I wonder what would happen to border violence if Mexican cartels weren't getting rich off drug money from north of the border.

[raz-0 1,259]

Prohibition has always made a nice profit margin for the bad guys. I wonder what would happen to border violence if Mexican cartels weren't getting rich off drug money from north of the border.

 

Probably escalate in the short term as factions fight more viciously over a decreasing pile of money, then go away as there's no real attraction to replace the corpses.

[vladtepes 1,060]

prohibition benefits one and only one market.. and that is the black market..

 

people will continue to obtain guns.. buy drugs.. and any other "outlawed goods" banning them simply elevates value..

[Anselmo 87]

prohibition benefits one and only one market.. and that is the black market..

 

people will continue to obtain guns.. buy drugs.. and any other "outlawed goods" banning them simply elevates value..

 

Legalize it and tax it.

[MarkWVU02 47]

There's a great book titled "The Rich Get Richer, The Poor Get Prison". Basically explains how most drug related crime is directly related to the illegality and cost of the drugs. It's a great read if you get a chance to check it out. I personally don't think legalizing is going to lead to an increase in drug use. If anything the money we save fighting the "war on drugs" and imprisoning people for nonviolent crimes (possession, intent to sell, etc...) could be used for effective anti drug education and treatment for those addicted. The prohibition of marijuana has a pretty interesting history most of which was based on fear and paranoia spread through propaganda.

[GRIZ 3,369]

I think linking the RKBA to legalizing drugs is a bad combination. "Gun owners for legal drugs" somehow doesn't have ring to it that will appeal to the fencesitters tbat are the ones that need to won over.

 

The argument that legalizing drugs will reduce violent crime significantly is a bit of a stretch. The idea that if drugs were legal legal all the street gangs will toss their guns and become productive members of society is comical. Are all the gang members going to go back to school then and becoming nuclear physicists and doctors? They will find some other type of crime to fund themselves.

 

 

[JackDaWack 2,895]

 

 

The argument that legalizing drugs will reduce violent crime significantly is a bit of a stretch. The idea that if drugs were legal legal all the street gangs will toss their guns and become productive members of society is comical. Are all the gang members going to go back to school then and becoming nuclear physicists and doctors? They will find some other type of crime to fund themselves.

 

True, but the illegal drug black market is a multibillion dollar year business..... all of that money would no longer be going to "criminals", they would have a very very hard time replacing those funds through other crime. If you take a look at the mafia and prohibition, when decriminalized they basically had to go to blue collar crime and white collar crime which is for all purpose less violent then street crime. Turf wars become obsolete and gang competition dwindles since there wont be common supply. Your street level criminals would essentially be useless for the most part, unless they found some other type of street crime to replace it with.

[HarryLee 0]

did cory booker say he wants a pot facility in newark?

[mipafox 438]

If you want to decrimninalize drugs, do it for Liberty and to keep decent harmless people from going to jail, lifetime bans on self-protection, etc.

 

NEVER do it for these two reasons:

 

1. End Cartels -

 

As much as cops and the press were angry about violence during Prohibition, most of the violence was against cops and competitors. The criminals were businessmen first and foremost with respect to the public and caused little harm.

 

Once their cash cow was taken away, the organizations persisted, and they still wanted money. That's what caused racketeering, murder for hire, protection, corruption, unions, etc.

 

Don't expect the "cartels" or whomever the bad people may be to just go away when they lose their easy money. Expect them to get downer and dirtier and still increase revenue year over year.

 

2. Raise taxes -

 

If the wonderful State of Jersey found $3 billion tomorrow, how would you want it spent? Towards the debt? Contribute to the pension? Property tax rebates?

 

I have a suggestion. BURN IT. If they find $3 billion tomorrow, they will grow to absorb it, and will run a $3 billion higher deficit (before their balancing tricks) next year, and add $3 billion to the debt next year and every year after. Every dollar the State gets is a dollar more you owe every year moving forward. Same thing applies to the Feds.

[mipafox 438]

 

 

True, but the illegal drug black market is a multibillion dollar year business..... all of that money would no longer be going to "criminals", they would have a very very hard time replacing those funds through other crime. If you take a look at the mafia and prohibition, when decriminalized they basically had to go to blue collar crime and white collar crime which is for all purpose less violent then street crime. Turf wars become obsolete and gang competition dwindles since there wont be common supply. Your street level criminals would essentially be useless for the most part, unless they found some other type of street crime to replace it with.

 

I completely dissagree. The total crime and total harm increased, it bceame much more violent and exploitive of the general population, and they retargetted all of their crime toward the population and the price was much higher to the average citizen.

 

Keep in mind, if you are cheering for a team, I DO want drugs decriminalized. I just don't agree with what you said. It got way worse, not better.

[raz-0 1,259]

I think linking the RKBA to legalizing drugs is a bad combination. "Gun owners for legal drugs" somehow doesn't have ring to it that will appeal to the fencesitters tbat are the ones that need to won over.

 

The argument that legalizing drugs will reduce violent crime significantly is a bit of a stretch. The idea that if drugs were legal legal all the street gangs will toss their guns and become productive members of society is comical. Are all the gang members going to go back to school then and becoming nuclear physicists and doctors? They will find some other type of crime to fund themselves.

 

That's making the false assumption that drug related crime is only an issue on the supply side. There's a lot of crime committed on the consumption side to fund habits. Generally a legal market open to competition will lower prices, and mean less dollar value of crime to fund habits, and less ancillary crimes addicts wander into rubbing elbows with the dealer network.

[vladtepes 1,060]

That's making the false assumption that drug related crime is only an issue on the supply side. There's a lot of crime committed on the consumption side to fund habits. Generally a legal market open to competition will lower prices, and mean less dollar value of crime to fund habits, and less ancillary crimes addicts wander into rubbing elbows with the dealer network.

 

good.. lock people up for stealing.. not for buying drugs...

 

if you want to sit in your house on your day off so high you can not stand up.. YOUR right..

if you want to steal from me to get that high.. NOT your right..

 

punish the criminal action.. not the social problem..

[greatgunstatenj 32]

True, but the illegal drug black market is a multibillion dollar year business..... all of that money would no longer be going to "criminals", they would have a very very hard time replacing those funds through other crime.

The money would just be going to a different set of "criminals".

 

1. End Cartels -

As much as cops and the press were angry about violence during Prohibition, most of the violence was against cops and competitors.

Tell that to all the law abiding citizens and tourists that have been killed in Mexico

[mipafox 438]

Tell that to all the law abiding citizens and tourists that have been killed in Mexico

 

Then maybe we should be talking about Mexico's laws.