JackDaWack

Which is why the ATF stated once they determine a specific model is a SBS, you're SOL when It comes to taking off the brace.

I agree, not to mention you should probably consult a lawyer before selling something like this. While the slide and grip probably wouldn't reach the level of stealing intellectual property. The pieces that create the sights definitely do. Is this the same company that does the Nerf glock? I recall seeing something similar somewhere. EtA, that was a micro roni painted blue and orange.

I think this statement needs a bit more clarification. An other does not need a brace and can have a bare reciever extension. If you purchased an other with a brace, and the ATF through its retarded points process determines its a SBR, taking the brace off according to them won't change their declaration of it being an SBR. It's all very convoluted.

The issue with your question is... what happens with the upper you took off? Can it constitute "parts" used to construct an SBR or nj assualt weapon? If you have any ar15 rifles I would say yes. I would think they stopped carrying others because the ATF is looking to ban anything with a brace on it.

What are they going to say to someone who purchased a strip lower reciever? They have no idea what you built it into, or if you even built something at all with it. Then.... The point is, my built "other" never had a brace, if you say otherwise... prove it... you can't. If you bought a Troy a4 other the ATF knows it was manufactured with a brace on it. They already did this in CT with others and folders, and the honey badger.

It's not about tracing it to a person. It's about knowing what exactly was sold to the individual. If you bought a purpose built model with a brace, just taking it off may not change how the ATF treats them. They then send out mass letters stating you bought a firearm that's now regulated. Obviously a reciever has no purpose when sold.

Even the manufacturer has to have marked and logged the models or recievers and serial #s they manufacturer. The ATF has in the past collected manufacturer and ffl info to trace models to customers.

All I know is the ATF rules say that if you take it off, it doesn't necessarily change anything.. however they have absolutely no way of knowing if you built one. If you bought one they can trace them from the manufacturer all the way to your house. So yes they absolutely know which ones were transferred as built and which were recievers. AOW is under 26", for me.. throwing a standard carbine buffer on and removing the A5 would do the trick. An AOW is the same rules for an other, it's just concealable

Article said they also stopped home equity loans last year and auto loans. Considering WF is a large bank, and they aren't just raising a standard for loan approval but cutting entire segments... Makes me think they are trying to limit damages to their balance sheets. Not sure why, why it's obvious their liabilities are an issue.

The letters said that the brace did not constitute a stock.... not to mention the letters don't actually mean anything. Does removing the brace substantially change the firearm? No. It didn't have a stock before and it doesn't have one when removed. Go figure. The most recent letters literally refer to the brace as not an integral part of the design used to make the determination of the firearm. Thus SHOULD BE REMOVED during assessment by the ATF. So your argument is "because NJ"? Got it. Let me know if you have an actual valid point to make. I listed the legal requirements for an other.. not much else to say. I never would have figured the actually lawful definition of an other would be a dead end argument. Yet the argument "because NJ" is an enforceable point. And just for clarity, here is the ATF letter that supports my claims. https://princelaw.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/atf-folded-brace_redacted.pdf So, do you have anything to actually reference that claims a weapon over 26" with a vfg and no stock would be considered a pistol? You don't need a letter from the ATF or NJSP claiming something is legal... do you have a letter for all of your firearms? I doubt you even have one. Will NJ just arrest you for having an assualt pistol because they just do what they want? So people can throw a vfg on a "pistol" and it's still a pistol? Good fucking luck with that one.... the ATF already said a VFG on anything expext a rifle makes it either an other, or an AOW. Maybe I will just just register them as AOWs

What? Just take off the brace.. period. The brace has NEVER been a defining part of an other. So.. take it off and leave the VFG on... your still over 26" without a stock...and a firearm designed to be used with two hands. How can NJ call something an assualt pistol it had already declared an other? Why isn't it already declared an assualt pistol with a brace? Your argument makes zero sense. The ATF for a few years has already said that a brace is simply an accessory, to be removed when evaluating the firearm, especially for OAL. If your argument was even remotely possible, ALL of that would have been possible without the new ATF rules... Rules for an other: No stock, check Over 26" check Vfg, check.

Atf rules distinguish taking off a brace may not change anything.. If you built one who's to say it was ever there? ? A brace has never been an integral part to an other. Doesn't matter if it's there or not.

If you built one, it's my understanding that you can remove the brace and still be legal. The proposed rules are when a firearm with a brace becomes a SBR. No brace, no problem. If you bought one completed, youre shitouttaluck.

Tax increases well under the 2% cap, and tax decreases for me.. going pretty damn good so I will continue to do my part. But continue to complain and be an ignorant fool... and as always contribute absolutely nothing to your situation or the discussion. makes no difference to me. And don't for one second pretend like you don't care... thats a delusional cop out you pull when youre proven wrong all the time. You spend enough time arguing on here for someone who cares plenty. Your defeatist attitude is amusing considering the rhetoric you throw at people around here... so put up or shut up. What are YOU going to do about it?

Very few towns actually vote on their budgets, how many people vote in April for their budgets? Have you ever? Referendums are on the ballot in Nov. What you are referring to is mostly likely a bond referendum. The vote to exceed the 2% cap is a basic question. Do you or do you not approve exceeding the 2% cap, there is no value to trim fat from. It's a simple yes to exceed or no. A bond referendum will give the value the school wants to borrow, if it doesn't pass, they will "trim it", or scrap it all together.