junkmanted 54 Posted July 28, 2013 Everything I see looks like a flash hider to me ! I have questions sent to a couple venders on line . heres one http://www.veriforcetactical.com/5.5-Inch-Muzzle-Brake-For-Ar15 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted July 28, 2013 I sell A-n-A brakes for $50 $40 to NJGF members. I will ship for free until 8/5/2013. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RUTGERS95 891 Posted July 28, 2013 I am a fan of the pof and the battlecomp. http://www.pof-usa.com/shop/index.php?id_product=15&controller=product http://www.battlecomp.com/ I only use these two on my ARs, mostly the POF, and both work very well but I think the pof is a little less noisy. Depends on the look you want given both reduce muzzle rise to almost nill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
junkmanted 54 Posted July 28, 2013 Paul do you have anything in 5.5 inches ? its a 10.5 barrel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 960 Posted July 28, 2013 You may already know the difference, but just in case you are not sure a Muzzle break and a Flash Hider have on basic difference: The Flash Hider is open on the end The Muzzle break is closed (Wit ha drilled hole to allow the bullet to exit of course) I'm not familiar with the model you post the link to, but unless it has a baffle somewhere between the lug the threads on the barre and the exit port - it looks like its more of a shroud or FH / compensator than a Muzzle break You would be surprised how many people sell items and call them Muzzle breaks when in fact they are Flash Hiders - it is freakin' amazing! The break that Paul listed above is small, light weigh and very well made. and it looks like a FH for those who want to keep the "look" of their original AR. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 960 Posted July 28, 2013 If Paul doesn't have a 5.5" brake - call me and I can have one made for you......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted July 28, 2013 Sorry, I did not realize you were looking for a 5.5". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,689 Posted July 28, 2013 Paul do you have anything in 5.5 inches ? its a 10.5 barrelCan I ask why you are using a 10.5" barrel? The real advantage of an SBR (I am issued 2 of them) is the short barrel. Ballistics, velocity, and range are all degraded when compared to a 14.5" or 16" barreled AR. You are really limiting yourself. You have to have total barrel length of over 16", so why not make the mandatory barrel length work to your advantage for the whole 14."-16" instead of having 10.5" of usable barrel and the rest just taking up space? You are also limiting your break/comp options. There are not a whole lot o 5.5" muzzle devices, and your ability to choose one that works the "best" will be even slimmer since you have such a small stable to choose from. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,883 Posted July 28, 2013 Found this one - http://usmachinegun.com/proddetail.php?prod=AR-PRT28 Not sure of it's legality..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
junkmanted 54 Posted July 28, 2013 I got the upper in a parts trade, and just trying to work with what i have . I did post it on ar15.com as a trade. I didnt even get a lower yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,883 Posted July 28, 2013 Another maybe one... http://blackthorneproducts.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=191 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,689 Posted July 28, 2013 Gotcha. Who makes the barrel, what are the specs? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
junkmanted 54 Posted July 28, 2013 Found this one - http://usmachinegun.com/proddetail.php?prod=AR-PRT28 Not sure of it's legality..... Thanks ,, i sent them a email asking . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
junkmanted 54 Posted July 28, 2013 Gotcha. Who makes the barrel, what are the specs? No clue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
junkmanted 54 Posted July 28, 2013 Another maybe one... http://blackthorneproducts.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=191 looks like whats on it now .. listed as a brake but they say in the description flash hider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
junkmanted 54 Posted July 28, 2013 If Paul doesn't have a 5.5" brake - call me and I can have one made for you......... Thanks I can make one if needed , I just need the material . If i can confirm what im seeing at 20 or 30 bucks it doesn't pay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
junkmanted 54 Posted July 28, 2013 heres some of the replies im getting back from people . Simple question is it a brake or flash hider "we call it a muzzle brake but it does hide the flash. Read your states law regarding them for specifics. " "Language is everything. Your state most likely considers any muzzle attachment a flash hider." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deerpark 83 Posted July 28, 2013 Everything I see looks like a flash hider to me ! I have questions sent to a couple venders on line . heres one http://www.veriforcetactical.com/5.5-Inch-Muzzle-Brake-For-Ar15 That looks kinda cool. I am a fan of the pof and the battlecomp. http://www.pof-usa.com/shop/index.php?id_product=15&controller=product http://www.battlecomp.com/ I only use these two on my ARs, mostly the POF, and both work very well but I think the pof is a little less noisy. Depends on the look you want given both reduce muzzle rise to almost nill NOICE. You may already know the difference, but just in case you are not sure a Muzzle break and a Flash Hider have on basic difference: The Flash Hider is open on the end The Muzzle break is closed (Wit ha drilled hole to allow the bullet to exit of course) I think I get it now. Lets say the flash suppressor/muzzle break is a can of coke. For the muzzle break, the bottom of the coke can has as hole in it. For the flash suppressor, the entire bottom of the coke can is missing, plus theres some cool cut out designs in the sides. :mail: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
junkmanted 54 Posted July 28, 2013 yes deerpark what im finding is they call it a brake but theres no picture of the front . Looks like I might just make it, and be done with this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 960 Posted July 28, 2013 Another maybe one... http://blackthorneproducts.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=191 If you read their description - they refer to it as a Flash hider! People are amazing when it comes to selling these.......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 960 Posted July 28, 2013 Are you looking for an actual Break, or just a cool looking barrel extension? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Poisontail 0 Posted July 28, 2013 These are very sexy breaks and the same size as an A2 birdcage flash hider! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted July 28, 2013 If it needs to be 5+ inches I think you're pretty beat. If you get a chance to get a normal sized I'd go with battle/dynacomp or a miculek if you want to give a big **** you to everyone else on the line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
junkmanted 54 Posted July 28, 2013 Are you looking doe an actual Break, or just a cool looking barrel extension? Dont care just make it legal at 16 inches Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RUTGERS95 891 Posted July 28, 2013 These are very sexy breaks and the same size as an A2 birdcage flash hider! very nice.....I like.....wonder how effective they are? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 960 Posted July 28, 2013 Take that one you original posted and ask Paul to have his guy weld the end like he does with his Branson style Brakes. Basicly you just need to make sure the threads and the exit port are perfectly in line and your should be good to go........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
junkmanted 54 Posted July 28, 2013 Take that one you original posted and ask Paul to have his guy weld the end like he does with his Branson style Brakes. Basicly you just need to make sure the threads and the exit port are perfectly in line and your should be good to go........ I can do that .. I already made up a aluminum rod to put in the bore for alignment. I was shying away from that because after I weld I have no way of bluing and cold blue isnt the way Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 960 Posted July 28, 2013 I assume Paul's guy can do it since the Flash hiders he converts really come out well when done. If your gonna do it yourself - you can paint it with High temp heat paint. I have seen guys do it and it comes out well, if done right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
junkmanted 54 Posted July 28, 2013 this guy just confirmed he is selling a brake , So i just bought it and at 24 bucks it doesn't pay to make it so I will see when it comes . thanks for the help http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=121148621166&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,689 Posted July 28, 2013 heres some of the replies im getting back from people . Simple question is it a brake or flash hider "we call it a muzzle brake but it does hide the flash. Read your states law regarding them for specifics.[/size] "[/size] "Language is everything. Your state most likely considers any muzzle attachment a flash hider."[/size] [/size] I know this doesn't help you with your short barrel but... First a disclaimer - IANAL - the below information is from a discussion with a Lt at the NJSP Ballistics Unit. I have no documentation on this. Also keep on mind, most of the decisions regarding what is "evil" and passes the assault rifle "test" is legal OPINION based on the law as written and not factual definitions. According to the NJSP Ballistics unit, they don't follow the Fed guideline for the definition of a Flash Hider - they do not measure the actual flash suppressing qualities of the device, although they do recommend following the Fed Definitions as a good guideline. The NJSP definition is if the opening in the muzzle device that the bullet exits is the same as the caliber being shot through it (with a few fraction of an inch as appropriate). Basically, if a 5.56/.223 projectile travels through a ~ 5.56.223 opening through a solid disk after leaving the end of the barrel but before leaving the end of the muzzle device you should be good to go. The "pinky test" is a good guideline - If you can reach your pinky (or larger then caliber specific rod) thought the muzzle device and touch the end of the barrel directly = Flash hider. If not = muzzle break/comp. There are exceptions, think vortex style. Flash hider where, you can't reach your pinky all the way down, but the muzzle device is open with prongs going all the way to the barrel in the sides, there is no "disk" with appropriate sized opening. I know, I know, as with most things in this state, clear as Mud. Anyway... Two that I know are good (they are legal, because I asked specifically about these two, and work great) - the PWS FSC556 and the Battle Comp. I am still wondering about the NJ Legality of the BCM comps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites