rayroka 0 Posted August 1, 2013 Hey guys, New to the sport. I figured more experienced owners could chime in. Bought an M&P 9mm SKU# 206301 with 2 15RD mags. In the manual it has a diagram of the mag disconnect safety (small bar in extractor area). According to the picture mine has one. So I popped an empty mag in, racked it, and then popped the mag back out but I was still able to dry fire it. (I figured once wouldn't hurt.) Is this normal operation, does the firing pin not actually strike? Does it need actually have a bullet in the chamber? Does mine not actually have one and I am reading the picture wrong? On a side note...I was surprised that mine came with two 15 round factory mags instead of 10 RD. Thanks again, Ray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted August 1, 2013 You bought this new? S&W does not ship any M&P's with 15rd mags.... either 17 or 10 .... There are 2 things you might be talking about..... There is a sear disconnect lever...... which you flip down before taking the slide off..... it allows you to remove slide without pulling trigger... or... The gun has a magazine safety, which will not allow the gun to fire without a magazine inserted.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blksheep 466 Posted August 1, 2013 Does it say on the slide "warning" capable of firing with magazine removed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sure shot 0 Posted August 1, 2013 Mine specifically states that it will fire without the magazine on the right side of the gun, does yours say this? You might have a different model, mine has no safe selector at all and the manual might cover multiple versions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rayroka 0 Posted August 1, 2013 I will check all these suggestions when I get home. (sticker and what's written on the side of the gun) This gun is brand new! I purchased at Hackettstown Guns and Ammo from Walt (great guy). He is a Retired LEO. Could he have ordered a law enforcement model or something for me? Ray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rayroka 0 Posted August 1, 2013 You bought this new? S&W does not ship any M&P's with 15rd mags.... either 17 or 10 .... There are 2 things you might be talking about..... There is a sear disconnect lever...... which you flip down before taking the slide off..... it allows you to remove slide without pulling trigger... or... The gun has a magazine safety, which will not allow the gun to fire without a magazine inserted.... This is separate from the sear disconnect level so now perplexed even more. I have been shopping around for months and never saw one that came with 15 rounders. Could this be a law enforcement model or something!? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sure shot 0 Posted August 1, 2013 According to the S&W webpage your model has the thumb safety so it might also have a magazine safety as well but like I said, check the side it should tell you if it will fire without a magazine. Or just take it to the range. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anselmo 87 Posted August 1, 2013 I dry fire my M&P all the time. I don't think it will hurt things. Make sure it's unloaded! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RubberBullets 65 Posted August 1, 2013 This is separate from the sear disconnect level so now perplexed even more. I have been shopping around for months and never saw one that came with 15 rounders. Could this be a law enforcement model or something!? If he bought it from a local dealer (hackettstown) it stands to reason they bought the handgun and swapped/pinned the mags for 15 rnders. It probably isnt just something they ordered standard from their distro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted August 1, 2013 If he bought it from a local dealer (hackettstown) it stands to reason they bought the handgun and swapped/pinned the mags for 15 rnders. It probably isnt just something they ordered standard from their distro Yeah..... I am thinking his FFL pinned them or swapped them The magazine disconnect is a 15min job to remove also..... but I doubt the FFL would touch that without the owner knowing.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rayroka 0 Posted August 1, 2013 If he bought it from a local dealer (hackettstown) it stands to reason they bought the handgun and swapped/pinned the mags for 15 rnders. It probably isnt just something they ordered standard from their distro They are factory 15 mags, not pinned. So maybe he did switch them but he didn't mention it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RubberBullets 65 Posted August 1, 2013 http://www.budspolicesupply.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/4_8/sort/4a/page/1 I bought my M&P40 from here.. they give a multitude of options regarding TS (thumbsafety) NTS (nothumbsafety) MS (Magazinesafety) and NMS (nomagazinesafety) to choose from and a combination of all Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rayroka 0 Posted August 1, 2013 Yeah..... I am thinking his FFL pinned them or swapped them The magazine disconnect is a 15min job to remove also..... but I doubt the FFL would touch that without the owner knowing.... I don't think he would remove it. Maybe I just don't understand the mag disconnect. If I pop in an empty mag, rack, and remove the mag should the trigger be able to be pulled and subsequently "click" or does the mag safety only work when there is a round in the chamber? Thanks, Ray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted August 1, 2013 Should be a dead trigger without mag in gun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rayroka 0 Posted August 1, 2013 http://www.budspolicesupply.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/4_8/sort/4a/page/1 I bought my M&P40 from here.. they give a multitude of options regarding TS (thumbsafety) NTS (nothumbsafety) MS (Magazinesafety) and NMS (nomagazinesafety) to choose from and a combination of all This looks promising besides the fact that it is a 17 rd model. Maybe mine is actually a SKU# 206301LE. http://www.budspolicesupply.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/748 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anselmo 87 Posted August 1, 2013 Why do you think your pistol has a magazine safety? Mine does not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RubberBullets 65 Posted August 1, 2013 This looks promising besides the fact that it is a 17 rd model. Maybe mine is actually a SKU# 206301LE. http://www.budspolicesupply.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/748 So it has no mag safety.. a thumb safety, and the mags were switched by the dealer. There is no standard 15rnd cap factory option so hackettstown swapping the mags seems to be the answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rayroka 0 Posted August 1, 2013 Why do you think your pistol has a magazine safety? Mine does not. There is a picture on page 30 of the Safety and Instruction Manual that depicts how to tell if your gun has the safety feature or not. When I look at my gun it has a the small silver bar next to the shear disconnect that s&w says is the magazine disconnect but I can still put an empty mag in, rack, pop it out, and pull the trigger and "click". Ray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rayroka 0 Posted August 1, 2013 So it has no mag safety.. a thumb safety, and the mags were switched by the dealer. There is no standard 15rnd cap factory option so hackettstown swapping the mags seems to be the answer. I called Walt to clarify on the 15 RD mags. He did in fact switch them out. He has a standing agreement with S&W that if he orders a 17RD they send 15 RD ones as well so he can swap and send the non compliant ones back. He said he might even be the only dealer in NJ they do this for since he hasn't found anyone else that does. Maybe because of his volume with S&W or something! Thanks Ray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9X19 125 Posted August 1, 2013 Mag safety: It is very simple. Look at the slide. If it says that the gun is capable of firing without the mag in, you do not have it. If it does not say anything you have it. Unless it was modified (not likely as it was a new gun, unless it was modified and the slide was switched out- once again very unlikely), I don't see any other option. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rayroka 0 Posted August 1, 2013 Mag safety: It is very simple. Look at the slide. If it says that the gun is capable of firing without the mag in, you do not have it. If it does not say anything you have it. Unless it was modified (not likely as it was a new gun, unless it was modified and the slide was switched out- once again very unlikely), I don't see any other option. I'll go home and double check all of this then report back. I may even post a video to show whats happening. Thanks for all the details people. Ray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted August 1, 2013 I called Walt to clarify on the 15 RD mags. He did in fact switch them out. He has a standing agreement with S&W that if he orders a 17RD they send 15 RD ones as well so he can swap and send the non compliant ones back. He said he might even be the only dealer in NJ they do this for since he hasn't found anyone else that does. Maybe because of his volume with S&W or something! Thanks Ray That is very cool...... Those mags are impossible to find at the moment...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anselmo 87 Posted August 1, 2013 Mag safety: It is very simple. Look at the slide. If it says that the gun is capable of firing without the mag in, you do not have it. If it does not say anything you have it. Unless it was modified (not likely as it was a new gun, unless it was modified and the slide was switched out- once again very unlikely), I don't see any other option. This is the easiest way. When I look a the picture on page 30 of the manual, the mag disconnect lever looks just like the sear deactivation lever when it's popped out to take down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9X19 125 Posted August 1, 2013 15 rounders are a great score. They go for $75-90 bucks on Gunbroker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RubberBullets 65 Posted August 1, 2013 That is very cool...... Those mags are impossible to find at the moment...... Ha.. theyve been impossible to find for the past 2-3 years Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rayroka 0 Posted August 1, 2013 That is very cool...... Those mags are impossible to find at the moment...... It is. Walt is a very good guy to deal with. Hackettstown Guns and Ammo is highly recommended! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr E.B. Slugworth 0 Posted August 1, 2013 My Ruger has a magazine disconnect, but I can still dry fire it. There is supposed to be something that will block the striker when you pull the trigger without a magazine inserted. I'd definitely look into it because it mentions in my manual that dry firing without the magazine in can damage the striker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david8613 69 Posted September 4, 2013 My new to me m&p9c has the mag disconnect feature, has nothing on the slide saying it can be fired without the mag. Is there anyway to change this safety feature, don't like it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites