Cereza 106 Posted August 3, 2016 You had a high opinion of the puddle pirates prior to this? As someone who spends time on the water, I'm very appreciative of the USCG (even though I'd like them to revisit one or two rules with regards to paddlesports). I initially viewed the CG's actions as tinged by anti-firearm sentiment, but now that I know that Antwerpen's permit was expired I understand why they called NYPD. I don't think it was necessary but I can understand why the CG felt obligated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted August 4, 2016 As someone who spends time on the water, I'm very appreciative of the USCG (even though I'd like them to revisit one or two rules with regards to paddlesports). I initially viewed the CG's actions as tinged by anti-firearm sentiment, but now that I know that Antwerpen's permit was expired I understand why they called NYPD. I don't think it was necessary but I can understand why the CG felt obligated. I don't mind the life jacket and the light makes sense at night (not that I'm out at night). The whistle seems kind of silly though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cereza 106 Posted August 4, 2016 I don't mind the life jacket and the light makes sense at night (not that I'm out at night). The whistle seems kind of silly though. The sound of a whistle travels a lot farther than the human voice, so that rule makes sense to me. What I don't understand is why there must be a life jacket on a vessel, but the paddler is not required to wear it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted August 4, 2016 I guess you don't spend any time on the water. A lot of people are alive because their lives were saved by those "puddle pirates". Fuckin right! I can attest to that! Griz, its like the blm bowel movement. Nobody likes them till they need them. [emoji35][emoji599] Semper Paratus! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted August 4, 2016 I don't mind the life jacket and the light makes sense at night (not that I'm out at night). The whistle seems kind of silly though. If you need help, people will hear a whistle before they hear cries for help. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted August 4, 2016 The sound of a whistle travels a lot farther than the human voice, so that rule makes sense to me. What I don't understand is why there must be a life jacket on a vessel, but the paddler is not required to wear it. Adults don't have to wear them at all on any boat. BUT there better be one for every person board. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lambo2936 297 Posted August 4, 2016 I totally understand the idea of a life vest. We never wore them, but tell ya what, when the boat caught fire and water was coming in, i sure as hell put mine on DAMN quick.. It's there in case something happens to the boat.. You may not need it when the boat is ABOVE water, but, if it sinks, you'll want those jackets. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cereza 106 Posted August 4, 2016 I totally understand the idea of a life vest. We never wore them, but tell ya what, when the boat caught fire and water was coming in, i sure as hell put mine on DAMN quick.. It's there in case something happens to the boat.. You may not need it when the boat is ABOVE water, but, if it sinks, you'll want those jackets. I always wear mine. But my point is that the rule gives the impression that there will be time to put the lifejacket on in an emergency. For PWC, it's usually just a few seconds between everything's fine and SHTF. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted August 4, 2016 I have been stopped by Coast Guard twice. Never boarded just asked to see paperwork and life vests. Very nice and happy they are out there. Most likely if owner of boat didn't mention firearms they wouldn't have been found and he wouldn't have been arrested. Lesson here is do not volunteer any information to any law enforcement. Probably better to not even answer questions when asked and invoke your right to remain silent. I have always had good relations with the police, but the more I read, the less I feel a need to say anything. It's a shame that things are going down this path in America. It's becoming an us against them mentality LEOS are starting to all go by the book. Gone are the days of community policing and protect and serve. Now many are military trained. NYPD is trained by Israelis. American Citizens are being treated like insurgents. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted August 4, 2016 I have been stopped by Coast Guard twice. Never boarded just asked to see paperwork and life vests. Very nice and happy they are out there. Most likely if owner of boat didn't mention firearms they wouldn't have been found and he wouldn't have been arrested. Lesson here is do not volunteer any information to any law enforcement. Probably better to not even answer questions when asked and invoke your right to remain silent. I have always had good relations with the police, but the more I read, the less I feel a need to say anything. It's a shame that things are going down this path in America. It's becoming an us against them mentality LEOS are starting to all go by the book. Gone are the days of community policing and protect and serve. Now many are military trained. NYPD is trained by Israelis. American Citizens are being treated like insurgents. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk One of the first questions asked during any LE boarding is "are there any weapons aboard". That includes spearguns, firearms, and anything with a primary purpose as a weapon. If you lie to a Federal Officer and that includes USCG it's a felony. You can get 5 years. Not answering any questions is not the way to go. Refuse to tell them where you're going or where you're coming from on a boat, don't be surprised if they check your GPS track. I related earlier in this thread the vessel could most likely be subject to a Customs search and that includes everything and everyone on board. This is not a new thing. It's been done for at least a couple hundred years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Porthole 15 Posted August 4, 2016 Search and rescue are the USCG primary mission. They abandon whatever they are doing to respond to a SAR call. Since 9-11, Homeland Security is the primary mission. The USCG used to be under the DOT until that day, now they are under the DoHS. Even the commandants latest "strategic intent" puts SAR lower on the list. #5 on the list AMERICA’S COAST GUARD: At all times a military service a branch of the armed forces of the United States a federal law enforcement agency a regulatory agency a first responder and humanitarian service and a member of the U.S. Intelligence Community Still don't get the "ready to proceed" 30 minute response time. SAR Program Standards and Requirements Certain standards and requirements have been developed for various components of the Coast Guard’s SAR system. SAR Readiness: Each Coast Guard unit with a SAR readiness responsibility shall have a suitable SAR resource ready to proceed within 30 minutes of notification of a distress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted August 4, 2016 Just a little insert. Pre 911, they were under the DOT, but in times of war, were under the Dept of Navy. Then HS after 911.... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted August 4, 2016 Since 9-11, Homeland Security is the primary mission. The USCG used to be under the DOT until that day, now they are under the DoHS. Even the commandants latest "strategic intent" puts SAR lower on the list. #5 on the list AMERICA’S COAST GUARD: At all times a military service a branch of the armed forces of the United States a federal law enforcement agency a regulatory agency a first responder and humanitarian service and a member of the U.S. Intelligence Community Still don't get the "ready to proceed" 30 minute response time. SAR Program Standards and RequirementsCertain standards and requirements have been developed for various components of the Coast Guard’s SAR system. SAR Readiness: Each Coast Guard unit with a SAR readiness responsibility shall have a suitable SAR resource ready to proceed within 30 minutes of notification of a distress. I realize the USCG has a big role in Homeland Security. I don't think they'd break away from preventing a terrorist attack. When I've worked with them in the past they considered SAR their primary purpose. Just a little insert. Pre 911, they were under the DOT, but in times of war, were under the Dept of Navy. Then HS after 911.... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Prior to 1967 they were part of Treasury Dept except during WW1 and WW2. The modern USCG was formed in 1915 with the merger of the the Revenue Cutter Service and US Lifesaving Service, both agencies of Treasury at the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted August 4, 2016 I realize the USCG has a big role in Homeland Security. I don't think they'd break away from preventing a terrorist attack. When I've worked with them in the past they considered SAR their primary purpose. Prior to 1967 they were part of Treasury Dept except during WW1 and WW2. The modern USCG was formed in 1915 with the merger of the the Revenue Cutter Service and US Lifesaving Service, both agencies of Treasury at the time. I was only a widdle kid then. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted August 4, 2016 I realize the USCG has a big role in Homeland Security. I don't think they'd break away from preventing a terrorist attack. When I've worked with them in the past they considered SAR their primary purpose. Prior to 1967 they were part of Treasury Dept except during WW1 and WW2. The modern USCG was formed in 1915 with the merger of the the Revenue Cutter Service and US Lifesaving Service, both agencies of Treasury at the time. I was only a widdle kid then. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites