45Doll 5,887 Posted July 26, 2023 I thought this was worth a separate post. I'm pretty sure many of us cook with gas, and I think they're trying to sneak this in under our radar. Wednesday: BPU plans “special meeting” to initiate N.J. gas stove ban (savejersey.com) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,781 Posted July 26, 2023 They can pry my cast iron frying pan from my cold, dead hands! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,887 Posted July 26, 2023 1 hour ago, CMJeepster said: They can pry my cast iron frying pan from my cold, dead hands! Be careful what you wish for. Phildo loves excuses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,781 Posted July 26, 2023 2 hours ago, 45Doll said: Be careful what you wish for. Phildo loves excuses. Molon labe 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,440 Posted July 26, 2023 5 hours ago, 45Doll said: I thought this was worth a separate post. I'm pretty sure many of us cook with gas, and I think they're trying to sneak this in under our radar. Wednesday: BPU plans “special meeting” to initiate N.J. gas stove ban (savejersey.com) Nowhere beyond the author’s opinion does it mention gas stoves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,781 Posted July 26, 2023 Cooking with gas? Not if Governor Murphy’s plan goes through | Mulshine - nj.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,887 Posted July 26, 2023 1 hour ago, voyager9 said: Nowhere beyond the author’s opinion does it mention gas stoves. Hence my 'under the radar' assertion. Be patient. Phil's in a race with Hochul to see who can be the biggest gas ass. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted July 28, 2023 On 7/26/2023 at 2:46 PM, voyager9 said: Nowhere beyond the author’s opinion does it mention gas stoves. What else does decarbonization mean? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,440 Posted July 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, JackDaWack said: What else does decarbonization mean? Pulling the lumps of coal out of their asses? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,887 Posted July 28, 2023 Decarbonization? “Governor Murphy has said that ‘no one is coming for your gas stove’ even as his bureaucrats at the BPU were advancing plans to ‘decarbonize’ the state, which means eliminating natural gas and electrifying everything,” said Pennacchio (R-26). “Unless we have ironclad guarantees written into state law to protect energy choice and the right of New Jersey consumers to buy and use gas stoves, the governor’s words are meaningless.” Senator Pennacchio urges action on bill to protect right to buy and use gas stoves - WRNJ Radio The operative word above is 'meaningless'. “Our bill would guarantee the right of New Jerseyans to use gas stoves and prevent state regulators from implementing any intrusive and expensive bans,” Pennacchio said. “If there are no bans or mandates coming down the pike, Governor Murphy should have no problem saying he would sign this bill into law. Unfortunately, I don’t expect we’ll hear that from him.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted July 28, 2023 they're not gonna come out and ban them. they're gonna play the same game with this that they're trying to play with autos. they'll set standards to the point of impossibility. this way, they can't be sold. so it's a defacto ban, without actually banning them. and they can lay the blame elsewhere of course. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted July 28, 2023 2 hours ago, 1LtCAP said: they're not gonna come out and ban them. they're gonna play the same game with this that they're trying to play with autos. they'll set standards to the point of impossibility. this way, they can't be sold. so it's a defacto ban, without actually banning them. and they can lay the blame elsewhere of course. They did this with EPA wood stoves, regulate the hell out of them.. drive up costs.. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to outright ban new construction 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,440 Posted July 28, 2023 2 hours ago, 1LtCAP said: they're not gonna come out and ban them. they're gonna play the same game with this that they're trying to play with autos. they'll set standards to the point of impossibility. this way, they can't be sold. so it's a defacto ban, without actually banning them. and they can lay the blame elsewhere of course. Easier. They’ll go after the municipal distribution systems. Regulate the hell out of them so PSE&G or similar cannot distribute or deliver natural gas. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,887 Posted July 29, 2023 There's a method to his 'madness'. Madman Murphy wants to take away your gas appliances (nj1015.com) Assemblyman DiMaio asks, “Who elected the BPU?" - WRNJ Radio N.J. BPU president gaslights critics of Murphy’s anti-natural gas agenda. | Rooney (savejersey.com) Another Day, Another Ban | Scharfenberger (savejersey.com) N.J. GOP Senate leader taunts BPU over heat wave “tips” amid electrification push (savejersey.com) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,781 Posted July 31, 2023 On 7/29/2023 at 9:22 AM, 45Doll said: There's a method to his 'madness'. Madman Murphy wants to take away your gas appliances (nj1015.com) Assemblyman DiMaio asks, “Who elected the BPU?" - WRNJ Radio N.J. BPU president gaslights critics of Murphy’s anti-natural gas agenda. | Rooney (savejersey.com) Another Day, Another Ban | Scharfenberger (savejersey.com) N.J. GOP Senate leader taunts BPU over heat wave “tips” amid electrification push (savejersey.com) Molon labe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted July 31, 2023 they don't have to come for them. they'll simply cut off the natural gas supply to our homes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,259 Posted July 31, 2023 This is stupid. So much of NJ electricity comes from natural gas. All that banning gas appliances will do is power electric appliances with natural gas plus transmission losses. Unless they build more nuclear, that's pretty much going to be the deal. Maybe it'd make some kind of sense if they redid solar subsidies and rules for net metering. Like if you are going to get subsidies and/or net metering you have to convert to all electrical appliances with the solar install. That would require them to get rid of the caps based on prior usage though. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,887 Posted July 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, raz-0 said: This is stupid. So much of NJ electricity comes from natural gas. All that banning gas appliances will do is power electric appliances with natural gas plus transmission losses. Unless they build more nuclear, that's pretty much going to be the deal. You got that right. It's like climate change zealots believe electricity comes down from the God of Mother Earth with no attached cost. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,887 Posted August 5, 2023 Even if it's teeny tiny? ‘Almost Negligible’: Biden Admin Quietly Cuts Estimated Savings In Proposal Cracking Down On Gas Stoves | The Daily Caller Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites