Bravo Company

[MarkWVU02 47]

what are your thoughts on this upper as a start to my build?

 

BCM Upper

 

This will be the start of a slow build...my goal is to buy things when I have the money to do so...I'm not in a rush but I'd like to eventually have a nice AR

[bbk 188]

Bravo Company Manufacturing (BCM) puts out high quality items at affordable prices, and I would recommend them over, and over, and over.

Regarding the specifics, I would suggest considering a mid-length system, like any of these. Mid lengths tend to shoot softer, and, apparently, cause less wear and tear on the internals (I personally can't confirm the wear-and-tear comment as this is what I've only heard from the community. As for middies shooting softer, definitely).

 

Just keep in mind that with BCM uppers, for the most part, they do not come with a bolt carrier group/bolt or charging handle (there are some models that do). So, you'll have to factor in the additional cost of these parts-- which, again, BCM does also make high quality BCG/bolts, as well as is behind the Gunfighter charging handle (great piece of kit).

 

Long story short, you can't go wrong with a BCM.

[MarkWVU02 47]

I factored in the CH and BCG cost...my idea is to do things right with quality components instead of regretting cutting corners...I really plan on just taking my time and buying things as I can afford them...I've read different opinions on the midlength vs. carbine debate...I really don't know which way to go...for what I'm using it for it's probably not an issue when it comes to wear and tear and compared to my mossy 590A1 I don't think softer feel is really an issue haha

[MarkWVU02 47]

also that was pretty sweet that that was your 3,000th post haaha

[intercooler 41]

BCM makes the good stuff. don't wait if it is in stock as it will likely sell out very fast.

[Vlad G 345]

I'll echo the comments of BCM is solid, and that midlength gas system is the way to go. The m4 profile barrel does nothing for you absent a grenade launcher.

[JimmyAGR 54]

i bought a BCM for my A4 build, 20" rifle legnth and it is a solid shooter. They make top quality stuff. As Vlad said get it while you can as they sell out quick.

[Dan 177]

+1 on all previous posters.

 

I have a BCM 14.5"+welded comp upper with a DD Lite 12" rail, best AR upper I've owned.

 

• Go with a midlength gas system. No reason to go with a carbine length gas system anymore.
• Reconsider going with a rail system instead of the fixed A2 front site block. Definitely more $$$, but if you want to do a slow build, you can save. It would give you more options, but ultimately its personal preference.
• Yes, once you find a BCM upper you like, you should pull the trigger on the purchase as they sell out quickly, esp on the middy rail system options

One other thing, If you are building a premium AR, take a look at Geissele triggers. Night and day difference over a standard build-kit trigger systems.

 

Just a warning, I've tried in the past to do a "slow" AR build. In the end "slow" translated into 2 weeks.

[MarkWVU02 47]

Wow everyone is against the cabine length haha. Maybe I'll just wait for a midlength to become available.

[MarkWVU02 47]

Don't think I'm going premium AR I'm sort of on a budget. Just don't want to go cheap on it either. My goal is to build a quality AR for a reasonable price. Somewhere around $1000 before optics.

[Vlad G 345]

Wow everyone is against the cabine length haha. Maybe I'll just wait for a midlength to become available.

 

 

Its not that the carbine length gas system is bad. Its just the mid length is so much better.

[bbk 188]

Ha, I didn't notice that it was my 3000th post-- only fitting it would be in the AR forum

 

Like Vlad said, middies are just that much better. The whole shooting soft thing isn't so much for the possibly thin-skinned (literally). What it does translate to is less flip, and easier to stay on target for follow up shots, albeit there are other things at play here (like what buffer you put in, what ammo you're shooting, what muzzle device, etc). I don't know what your intended use is, but unless you're ONLY bench shooting, its always nice to be able to have smoother follow up shots (and nice to not bruise yourself too I suppose!)

[MarkWVU02 47]

They have the midlength in their cold hammer forged barrel for 490...is this worth the $90 increase over their standard barrel?

[MarkWVU02 47]

Intended purpose of the gun is range fun/home defense/shtf

[Vlad G 345]

To me it is, for the midlength gas system. To you, you have to decide. Honestly I don't think the cold forged barrel matters that much and they do make 16" mid length in button rifled mode as well which is like $70 cheaper for the barrel, but Im not sure if the currently have an upper with it. There is NOTHING wrong with the one you first selected except a barrel profile and gas length designed around requirements you don't have (ie fit grenade launchers and other such equipment).

 

BTW in practice, with 2 decent shooters, and 2 nearly identical rifles, and same ammo, me and raz-0 could not tell apart the accuracy of a standard BCM barrel vs a hammer forged barrel.

[MarkWVU02 47]

How about something like this

 

BCM 14.5v middy

 

with one of the PWS compensators welded on?

[Vlad G 345]

If thats what you want, then go for it. I rather have 16" of actual barrel but lots of people seem to like that configuration as well so there is no wrong answer.

[MarkWVU02 47]

what would be the advantage of the extra 1.5" barrel? kind of new to this so just trying to learn

[vjf915 456]

Either way, you are going to have 16" of "barrel" to swing around, so you are not getting a smaller package with the 14.5" barrel. However, with a 16" barrel, you do gain a small amount of velocity over the 14.5". Recoil on .223/5.56 is light enough that the small gain in velocity is worth the lack of a compensator to some people. Like Vlad said, there really is no wrong answer as it's personal preference. Personally, if I have to swing around 16" of barrel, I'd rather go with a full 16" of barrel. Another thing to consider is you might save some dough by not having to pay them to permanently attach the compensator.

[Cylinder Head 22]

what would be the advantage of the extra 1.5" barrel? kind of new to this so just trying to learn

 

More velocity, which is key with this round. Also, there is a lot of voodoo involved with getting a 14.5" middy to eat a variety of different ammo. 14.5" middies react better with some buffers than with others, and in certain configurations they can exhibit repeated failures depending on the weight of the buffer. Weaker ammo can play havok with 14.5" middies.

[MarkWVU02 47]

Awesome thanks for the replies. Still don't know what I'm going to do.

[Dan 177]

More velocity, which is key with this round. Also, there is a lot of voodoo involved with getting a 14.5" middy to eat a variety of different ammo. 14.5" middies react better with some buffers than with others, and in certain configurations they can exhibit repeated failures depending on the weight of the buffer. Weaker ammo can play havok with 14.5" middies.

 

So far my BCM 14.5" middy with a perm attached PWS comp has eaten plenty of Silver Bear, Golden Bear, and LCM855. No problems reported as of yet. Have an average of 200 of each down the pipe so far. Using a PSA carbine buffer.

[DevsAdvocate 112]

More velocity, which is key with this round. Also, there is a lot of voodoo involved with getting a 14.5" middy to eat a variety of different ammo. 14.5" middies react better with some buffers than with others, and in certain configurations they can exhibit repeated failures depending on the weight of the buffer. Weaker ammo can play havok with 14.5" middies.

 

You're not getting any meaningful increase in velocity with that extra 1.5"...

[DevsAdvocate 112]

I own a BCM 14.5" middy with a pinned/welded BC 1.5 brake. Thing is sweet. Runs standard .223 and 5.56 beautifully with an H buffer. Best AR I own... I love it.

[Dan 177]

My link

 

 

[Zell959 40]

You're not getting any meaningful increase in velocity with that extra 1.5"...

 

Likely not. He may have also been referring to what is sometimes another concern with mid-length gas systems in shorter barrels. Carbine length gas systems in 16" barrels are often thought to be over gased, hence the growing popularity in mid-lengths. I believe there is some concern that a mid-length gas system in a short enough barrel, when firing lower pressure loads and using a heavier buffer, can swing a bit too far the other way and result in an under-gased cycling(short-stroke). That said, I don't think 14.5" is likely to be short enough to actualy see this effect, IMO. Perhaps if you really go overboard with the buffer weight and are using particularly light ammo.

[DevsAdvocate 112]

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/10555-ar-pics-lets-seeum/page__st__540__p__316975#entry316975

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/10555-ar-pics-lets-seeum/page__st__480__p__310182#entry310182

 

Pics and vids of my BCM middie...

[DevsAdvocate 112]

Likely not. He may have also been referring to what is sometimes another concern with mid-length gas systems in shorter barrels. Carbine length gas systems in 16" barrels are often thought to be over gased, hence the growing popularity in mid-lengths. I believe there is some concern that a mid-length gas system in a short enough barrel, when firing lower pressure loads and using a heavier buffer, can swing a bit too far the other way and result in an under-gased cycling(short-stroke). That said, I don't think 14.5" is likely to be short enough to actualy see this effect, IMO. Perhaps if you really go overboard with the buffer weight and are using particularly light ammo.

 

This only happens when shooting VERY cheap ammo with extreme variances in pressure (aka Poor QC). If you shoot commercial or milspec, you will be fine.

[Cylinder Head 22]

You're not getting any meaningful increase in velocity with that extra 1.5"...

 

Yes, you will. You'll get slightly more ABSOLUTE velocity, and the longer barrel will help the round CARRY THAT VELOCITY further. Fragmentation is important, remember.

 

Distance to 2700 fps (min vel for fragmentation)

 

M193 (Winchester white box Q3131A, by IMI)

20" Barrel 190-200m

16" Barrel 140-150m

14.5"Barrel 95-100m

11" BArrel 40-45m

 

M855 (SS109/green tip/current military ammo)

20" Barrel 140-150m

16" Barrel 90-95m

14.5"Barrel 45-50m

11" Barrel 12-15m

[Cylinder Head 22]

Likely not. He may have also been referring to what is sometimes another concern with mid-length gas systems in shorter barrels. Carbine length gas systems in 16" barrels are often thought to be over gased, hence the growing popularity in mid-lengths. I believe there is some concern that a mid-length gas system in a short enough barrel, when firing lower pressure loads and using a heavier buffer, can swing a bit too far the other way and result in an under-gased cycling(short-stroke). That said, I don't think 14.5" is likely to be short enough to actualy see this effect, IMO. Perhaps if you really go overboard with the buffer weight and are using particularly light ammo.

 

Yes, run anything heavier than an H buffer and you're asking for a short stroke with crap ammo.