MB24 37 Posted October 9, 2012 Sorry to have to post another " Is this legal" question but everyone knows how vague the laws are. I get the part about the # of items that make up an assault rifle. However the part with the list of named rifles and then " Any firearm manufactured under any designatiion which is substantially identical to any firearms listed" is confusing. So my question is , is the pictured stock with the adjustable stock pinned legal? It's the Archangel 556 for a 10/22. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcbethr 42 Posted October 9, 2012 No collapsible stock (pinned). No bayonet lug No flash hider Does have a Pistol Pistol grip You have 1 evil feature and are good to go. Enjoy some time at the range... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB24 37 Posted October 9, 2012 Thanks for the reply. Doesn't it fall into the substantially identical to firearms on the evil list? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted October 9, 2012 Thanks for the reply. Doesn't it fall into the substantially identical to firearms on the evil list? Which firearm on the list do you think it is "substantially identical" to? "Substantially identical" per the NJAG: http://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/agguide/assltf.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB24 37 Posted October 9, 2012 Thanks, I appreciate all the help in setting me straight. Just to name 3, Colt AR15, Bushmaster assualt, Armalite AR-180. To me it would seem substantially identical to these rifles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted October 9, 2012 Are the Colt AR15, Bushmaster "assualt", Armalite AR-180 produced in .22 LR calibers? I'd say that a firearm that fires a different caliber is not "substantially identical". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB24 37 Posted October 10, 2012 So basically the determination is based on mechanics and attachments, not appearance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted October 10, 2012 Thanks, I appreciate all the help in setting me straight. Just to name 3, Colt AR15, Bushmaster assualt, Armalite AR-180. To me it would seem substantially identical to these rifles. it is to be considered substantially identical IF it has a detachable magazine AND TWO of the following.. collapsible stock bayonet lug flash hider Pistol Pistol grip grenade launcher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted October 10, 2012 So basically the determination is based on mechanics and attachments, not appearance. the look of the gun is irrelevant.. I had an AK and AR while living in NJ.. they were NJ legal version of illegal guns.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TK421 2 Posted October 10, 2012 the look of the gun is irrelevant.. I had an AK and AR while living in NJ.. they were NJ legal version of illegal guns.. Unless it's an M1 Carbine clone, then all bets are off. Apparently if it shares the same silhouette it's illegal, like the Citadel M22. The NJSP seem to have a real hardon for that gun for some absurd reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted October 10, 2012 Unless it's an M1 Carbine clone, then all bets are off. Apparently if it shares the same silhouette it's illegal, like the Citadel M22. The NJSP seem to have a real hardon for that gun for some absurd reason. they have no legal ground to stand on.... that problem is one lawsuit away from being solved.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TK421 2 Posted October 10, 2012 they have no legal ground to stand on.... that problem is one lawsuit away from being solved.. Agreed, in the interim try to get someone to sell you one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB24 37 Posted October 10, 2012 Unless it's an M1 Carbine clone, then all bets are off. Apparently if it shares the same silhouette it's illegal, like the Citadel M22. The NJSP seem to have a real hardon for that gun for some absurd reason. OK, I thought I had it straight with vladtepes post, the look of the gun is irrelevant. It just comes down to the mag and 2 other items. With your post are you saying just a clone of the M1 is illegal or any gun that has a silhouette of one on the banned list is illegal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkin 0 Posted October 10, 2012 Legal or not it still looks scary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted October 10, 2012 OK, I thought I had it straight with vladtepes post, the look of the gun is irrelevant. It just comes down to the mag and 2 other items. With your post are you saying just a clone of the M1 is illegal or any gun that has a silhouette of one on the banned list is illegal? he is just trying to confuse you.. the M1 carbine is the one exception... just follow the wording I posted and you are good to go.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TK421 2 Posted October 10, 2012 he is just trying to confuse you.. the M1 carbine is the one exception... just follow the wording I posted and you are good to go.. I'm not trying to confuse anyone; I'm making the point that there is no standard level of common sense that one is able to anticipate with respect to NJ's AWB. Some guns are banned by name, some as types, some types are legal and some that merely resemble guns banned as types are banned. You need to be careful and have a very good grasp on not only what is legal according to the letter of the law but also know what has been twisted into being treated as illegal by various political interpretations of the law. I’m not going to repost this but merely link to the examples I have already given. http://njgunforums.c...post__p__533151 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qel Hoth 33 Posted October 10, 2012 they have no legal ground to stand on.... that problem is one lawsuit away from being solved.. While any rational person would agree, would you really want to be the test case? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted October 11, 2012 While any rational person would agree, would you really want to be the test case? no.. i dont even care for the gun in question.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites