Taking a handgun to the Poconos camping.

[Duppie 73]

I should know this but I'll ask all the same....

Renting a cabin in the Poconos for 5 days to slow down a little with family and friends,maybe a little fishing and wondering about the viability of taking one of my pistols for protection from what have you....bears,zombies,evolutionary throwbacks,religious zealots, big foot.

What is the viability and/or possible legal pitfalls of doing so?

Thanks.

[Celraysoda 7]

I think as long as you have rental agreement, that is your domain for the time being and can legally posses a firearm. Better check with the local fuzz before your trip.

[Bt Doctur 188]

outside of the cabin you should get a "sportsman carry" and the non res. hunting license.or fishing license

[mipafox 438]

I think as long as you have rental agreement, that is your domain for the time being and can legally posses a firearm.  Better check with the local fuzz before your trip.

 

There are no local firearms laws in PA and local police are the worst to ask about firearms laws.  Makes no sense, don't do that.

 

You can legally possess a firearm anywhere in PA, except public areas of Philly (permit required).

 

You need a permit from any state to transport handguns by vehicle unless between home and range, dog training, etc.

[Duppie 73]

There are no local firearms laws in PA and local police are the worst to ask about firearms laws. Makes no sense, don't do that.

 

You can legally possess a firearm anywhere in PA, except public areas of Philly (permit required).

 

You need a permit from any state to transport handguns by vehicle unless between home and range, dog training, etc.

So if I understand you correctly....it's kosher to take it to the Poconos just as long as I transport it correctly { unloaded,gun and mags separate} but my potential issue is a possible stop in NJ if I can't prove a Pennsylvania gun range visit?

[mipafox 438]

Not touching that one.

 

But in PA, you can only transport handguns by vehicle to and from range, dog training, etc. To and from vacation home is also fine. Note that "firearm" below means "handgun" to you, you don't have to worry about Jersey rifles and longuns. They are unregulated in PA, but should not be loaded when in the car.

 

§6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.

 

* (b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:

 

* (1) Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.

* (2) Members of the army, navy, marine corps, air force or coast guard of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.

* (3) The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such firearms from the United States or from this Commonwealth.

* (4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with a firearm, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the firearm is not loaded.

* (5) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.

* (6) Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties.

* (7) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.

* (8) Any person while carrying a firearm which is not loaded and is in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair, sale or appraisal or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police), or to a place of instruction intended to teach the safe handling, use or maintenance of firearms or back or to a location to which the person has been directed to relinquish firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a licensed dealer's place of business for relinquishment pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S § 6108.2 (relating to relinquishment for consignment sale, lawful transfer or safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a location for safekeeping pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.3 (relating to relinquishment to third party for safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm.

* (9) Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing as permitted by such license, or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.

* (10) Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.

* (11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.

* (12) A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and that said license expired within six months prior to the date of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license.

* (13) Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm under this chapter and who is operating a motor vehicle which is registered in the person's name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a valid license has been issued pursuant to section 6109 to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.

* (14) A person lawfully engaged in the interstate transportation of a firearm as defined under 18 U.S.C § 921(a)(3) (relating to definitions) in compliance with 18 U.S.C. § 926A (relating to interstate transportation of firearms).

* (15) Any person who possesses a valid and lawfully issued license or permit to carry a firearm which has been issued under the laws of another state, regardless of whether a reciprocity agreement exists between the Commonwealth and the state under section 6109(k), provided:

* (i) The state provides a reciprocal privilege for individuals licensed to carry firearms under section 6109.

* (ii) The Attorney General has determined that the firearm laws of the state are similar to the firearm laws of this Commonwealth.

* (16) Any person holding a license in accordance with section 6109(f)(3).

[Clintoon Eastwood 2]

Duppie, sorry to hijack your thread a little but I'm also wondering the same thing. But what if I have a Utah ccw license. Is it ok then I be at a campaign ground or a timeshare?

[Duppie 73]

Thanks mipafox... that's exactly what I was looking for.

The Jersey side I'll take care of as I fully intend to take the wife to a range on the Pensky side before heading home... so that will hopefully satisfy the authorities in the event of a stop.

[mipafox 438]

Duppie, sorry to hijack your thread a little but I'm also wondering the same thing. But what if I have a Utah ccw license. Is it ok then I be at a campaign ground or a timeshare?

 

It's ok to "be" anywhere in PA with a handgun, with no permit at all, except Philly.

[scohen2002 0]

I'm in the same position... Going to spend a weekend and my friend's family's hunting cabin in the poconos and i wanted to bring a rifle and a handgun for a range trip while we were there. I was googling for ranges around there and could only come up with two crappy looking ones.

[DavidV433 0]

It's ok to "be" anywhere in PA with a handgun, with no permit at all, except Philly.

 

we have property in luzerne county in pa, I can have my handgun on me when im roaming around without a permit? I read on the luzerne county sherrifs website that they issue out of state resident ccw's http://www.luzerneco...TION%202013.pdf ... i dont need to do that ? sorry for hijacking the thread

[Soju 153]

Once again.

 

Open carry is legal in PA without a license (except in Philly, where it is legal with a license).

 

When traveling between NJ and PA, interstate transportation rules apply. That would be FOPA, and NOT either NJ of PA state laws.

 

Take your guns. Have fun and be safe.

[mipafox 438]

we have property in luzerne county in pa, I can have my handgun on me when im roaming around without a permit? I read on the luzerne county sherrifs website that they issue  out of state resident ccw's http://www.luzerneco...TION%202013.pdf ... i dont need to do that ? sorry for hijacking the thread

 

Whatever the county sheriff says means nothing. We have rule of law in PA, not LEO thugs. Firearm possession is completely preempted at the Commonwealth level.

[scohen2002 0]

Once again.

 

Open carry is legal in PA without a license (except in Philly, where it is legal with a license).

 

Take your guns. Have fun and be safe.

 

Now hang on just a second... I lived in Pennsylvania for 22 years and in no way shape or form was open carry legal. Unless something changed in the last 10 years since I moved to NJ that is some re diculous miss information. You can't strap a gun to your belt and walk in to Home Depot... That is Arizona. When I lived there you could acquire a concealed carry permit but you must have the permit. Otherwise it was the same as jersey, transport to and from location to location only unloaded and ammo locked separate.

[Duppie 73]

Now hang on just a second... I lived in Pennsylvania for 22 years and in no way shape or form was open carry legal. Unless something changed in the last 10 years since I moved to NJ that is some re diculous miss information. You can't strap a gun to your belt and walk in to Home Depot... That is Arizona. When I lived there you could acquire a concealed carry permit but you must have the permit. Otherwise it was the same as jersey, transport to and from location to location only unloaded and ammo locked separate.

Pennsylvania is indeed an open carry state, with Philadelphia being one of the states few exceptions. I checked it out on line even before I started this tread so my question was aimed at answering if a Jersey resident only renting a summer cabin had the same ability to transport and carry as a local.

Sorry it's been 22 years but you are indeed able to open carry as long as you are of age and have no legal restrictions.

[scohen2002 0]

Well crap... Put a dress on me smack my ass and call me Sally. I had no idea... Sorry for doubting.

[scohen2002 0]

What year did they make open carry legal?

[Duppie 73]

What year did they make open carry legal?

Damned if I know...I just Googled Open carry in Pensky and sought out the most recent articles or blogs on it and there it was...

I'm not one to OC but if we're on a trail somewhere in the woods I want to be able to at least have the option of carrying a firearm.

[CageFighter 236]

get a Utah carry permit!

[Soju 153]

Well crap... Put a dress on me smack my ass and call me Sally. I had no idea... Sorry for doubting.

 

No big deal. But as a point of advice, since you are posting on the internet, you could also have looked it up before posting, and saved yourself the embarrassment of being totally wrong.

 

[Duppie 73]

get a Utah carry permit!

Any idea for how long it will be valid in Pennsylvania? I keep seeing right here on this forum that Pennsylvania is disallowing several state's CCW permits as of late. I normally wouldn't care much but I have an opportunity to buy in on the cabin we're visiting in May and want to assess my options.

[scohen2002 0]

 

No big deal. But as a point of advice, since you are posting on the internet, you could also have looked it up before posting, and saved yourself the embarrassment of being totally wrong.

 

 

Eh what fun is that.

[Worn_Holster 2]

I thought PA was dis-allowing all non-resident CCW permits? Are they about to nix Utah also? My VA permit won't work much longer there.

[ryan_j 0]

Thanks mipafox... that's exactly what I was looking for.

The Jersey side I'll take care of as I fully intend to take the wife to a range on the Pensky side before heading home... so that will hopefully satisfy the authorities in the event of a stop.

 

Well you can tell the police that story and jump through hoops by going to a range but there's no need to. You are covered under federal law. As long as you are legal to possess in your start and end of your journey and do not stop in NJ you are good.

[ryan_j 0]

I thought PA was dis-allowing all non-resident CCW permits? Are they about to nix Utah also? My VA permit won't work much longer there.

 

Any permit from any state is good for vehicle carry.

 

When you're on foot, open carry outside of Philly doesn't require a permit.

[ryan_j 0]

Any idea for how long it will be valid in Pennsylvania? I keep seeing right here on this forum that Pennsylvania is disallowing several state's CCW permits as of late. I normally wouldn't care much but I have an opportunity to buy in on the cabin we're visiting in May and want to assess my options.

 

There's less of a chance of Utah suffering the same fate as FL, AZ or VA because:

 

Utah is recognized by statute. FL, AZ, VA are not.

 

Utah does not issue permits to PA residents unless they have a PA permit already. This effectively kills the "Florida loophole" without harming us.

[Duppie 73]

Well you can tell the police that story and jump through hoops by going to a range but there's no need to. You are covered under federal law. As long as you are legal to possess in your start and end of your journey and do not stop in NJ you are good.

I'm beginning to see that....and that's why I chose to ask you gentlemen.

Between NJ and neighboring states firearms laws I get confused....

[ryan_j 0]

What year did they make open carry legal?

 

 

The law is silent on open carry. No law against it so it's legal.

[Turboprop21 12]

Now to add to this confusion as I go to PA quite often.

 

If one does not posses a non resident CCW (concealed) they can still carry in PA, however it has to be open carry. If let's say I have a Utah I can do open or concealed, correct?

[Soju 153]

Correct.