Frustrated and getting discouraged

[NJSigfan 218]

So today I tried to load up 25 rounds of 225 grain extreme copper plated flat point bullets For a range trip tomorrow and they just wont seat in the gauge checker or the barrel of my SA 5.25 .45acp

 

I'm using a Lee loadmaster and loaded 100 rounds of 200grain SWC rounds with ease after getting the press and dies set correct

 

I loaded two test rounds and they just won't seat flush. I've seated the bullet to 1.220 inches which the minimum OAL. The crimp was done with a Lee carbide crimp die and it leaves a nice 90degree shoulder.

 

I'm using once fired federal large pistol primer brass that I bought new and kept from a previous range session. The brass has been tumbled cleaned and has Hornady one shot lube Applied for good measure. I'm using CCI primers and unique powder set to 5.1 grains.

 

All the brass has been checked to be at or less than the maximum case length Suggested for .45acp

 

Brass measures as follows. .469at the base, .469 in the middle and .470 at the mouth of the brass once the bullet has been inserted.

 

And now the round won't sit flush. The brass fit without any issue prior to the powder and bullet being inserted. So What's gives? I'm getting frustrated and discouraged with reloading. Help me out!!

[GRIZ 3,369]

Where did you get the OAL from?

[alec.mc 180]

Make sure your sizing die is as low as it will go so it'll properly size.

 

 

Why 1.22 ?

 

a 90 degree lip on the crimp? taper crimp ? that sounds excessive. Give it enough to get rid of the belling, and that  it holds the bullet firmly in place. 

[NJSigfan 218]

I went to book store today and pulled few different loads from a few various books

 

From what I can tell my decap and sizing die are at the correct length since the last reloads fit with no issues.

 

And yes, crimp die but I'm not sure what you mean by excessive?

[Shocker 151]

Round nose flat point? I tried that at one point and had to seat them waaaaay short to get them to chamber. I think they were Xtreme brand.

 

The flat point meplat pushed the radius of the "round nose" so far out that it would touch the rifling far too early for my tastes. I gave up on those bullets.

 

I also have a gov't Springfield so you'll either have to go shorter or find new bullets.

[alec.mc 180]

I went to book store today and pulled few different loads from a few various books

 

From what I can tell my decap and sizing die are at the correct length since the last reloads fit with no issues.

 

And yes, crimp die but I'm not sure what you mean by excessive?

 

 

What do you mean the correct length of the die? The die is to be seated as low as possible - set it as low as it'll go without hitting the shell plate.

 

all the taper crimp is supposed to do is eliminate the bell you made to insert the bullet, you shouldnt be making a 90 degree bend on the top rim of the case.

[NJSigfan 218]

What do you mean the correct length of the die? The die is to be seated as low as possible - set it as low as it'll go without hitting the shell plate.

 

all the taper crimp is supposed to do is eliminate the bell you made to insert the bullet, you shouldnt be making a 90 degree bend on the top rim of the case.

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Sorry...yes the sizing and decapping die is set to so that it barely touches the shell plate.

 

And I guess I should expand on my comment. What I meant is that the taper crimp die is not causing the case to deform in anyway...as in too much to crimp to cut or break the plating.

 

And I just adjusted the depth of the of the seating die to 1.2 and it the round still does sit flush...

[NJSigfan 218]

Also, yes, I'm using extreme flat point 225 gr bullets. The 25 I pulled for the sample pack measure .451 to as much as .453 with the majority measuring .452

[Respect2A 0]

It sounds like theres either a problem with the sizing or your bullet isn't set far enough into the case.

 

If you measure the finished round right where it crimps what measurenent are you getting? It should be approx the measurement of the bullet plus the case wall thickness twice.

[NJSigfan 218]

Finished size of round is .470 at the very edge of the case mouth

 

 

I do think I found the issue. I need to load another test round verify but it seems that the bullet is getting a slight deformity or wave to it. I'll get a picture up once I get my kids to bed...

[NJSigfan 218]

 

Sorry for the blurry pics. iPad never really took decent pics..

 

Anyway, you can see the subtle line or "crease" that was put on the first two test rounds.

I've since then adjusted the bullet set die and taper crimp and the rounds now all sit flush in the chamber check gauge and barrel.

 

Thank you for the help and continued willingness to inform a reloading newb.

[Tunaman 562]

I hope you are not using the sample bullet in the backround of your pic as a guide.  They look like swc not flat points.  They will need a different oal length.  Do a plunk test with your barrel to get the right oal.

[NJSigfan 218]

I hope you are not using the sample bullet in the backround of your pic as a guide.  They look like swc not flat points.  They will need a different oal length.  Do a plunk test with your barrel to get the right oal.

Hey Tuna,

 

Lol, no. Those are the test rounds from when I loaded SWC rounds but thanks for looking out for this newb. Plunks test was successful. 25 Rounds fit flush in the gauge checker and barrel.

[mikeyjones 88]

Seating and crimping in one step?

 

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[NJSigfan 218]

nope, seating and crimping in separate stations.  using a factory taper crimp die in the last station

[Vlad G 345]

You are over-crimping. If you are denting the bullet that much with the crimp die then back off.

[Respect2A 0]

I find semi wadcutters to feed like crap in double stack guns.

[Tunaman 562]

Using the Berrys 9mm HBFP as an example,  the STANDARD oal is 1.169 for most RN.  I had to seat these flat points to 1.106.  They hit the lands at 1.110 so I knocked off a few thou and now they are good.  The profile on flat points is sure to hit earlier than RN or SWC.