bhunted 887 Posted January 11, 2017 Just my 2cents from my experience. There are 2 ways to sell a companies products online. I had 5 online stores before the economy went tits up and I shut down. I busted my arse to sell things and make a profit. The 2 ways I mentioned were, a) You went through a certified distributor or b) You went directly to the manufacturer. This is the way you become a vendor to sell, just like most brick and mortar stores. It is hard for small online stores to make money if you are a small one man show like I was. Outfits like Blotach are most of the tome, huge companies that rarely have store fronts and have nothing but huge warehouses. My preference was 98% to deal with the manufactures and I did. I made a lot of great connections over the years. I even used MAP pricing at times. But I had to sign agreements to stay within percentages. The only time I could cut lower was if they said I could because they let their brick and mortar stores do it for like a holiday or something. It was a bitch to make money. Under these conditions and to try compete with other onliners or stores, I had to border the lowest price I could and hope I could profit by selling high quantity. IF the rules were followed, no harm no foul. But the manufacturers had to be diligent and make sure you stuck to their agreement. It only takes on brick and mortar to complain back to the manufacturer and they will give you a warning. They'd rather lose you then lose possibly a national account. One time I mistyped a price. It was quickly adjusted after a warning. Imho, you don't make it big unless you are like OpticPlanet and have the funds to do it. But the rules are the rules. I sold a lot of things before they were popular in big stores. Once they got what I had to sell, I lost business and decided to shut down. Big brick and mortar stores get better wholesale tier pricing and smaller stores get pricing just below the big guy. If the manufacturers do not care about their retail prices and lets retail vendors under cut everyone else, that is what hurts everyone. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blank 60 Posted January 11, 2017 Just my 2cents from my experience. There are 2 ways to sell a companies products online. I had 5 online stores before the economy went tits up and I shut down. I busted my arse to sell things and make a profit. The 2 ways I mentioned were, a) You went through a certified distributor or b) You went directly to the manufacturer. This is the way you become a vendor to sell, just like most brick and mortar stores. It is hard for small online stores to make money if you are a small one man show like I was. Outfits like Blotach are most of the tome, huge companies that rarely have store fronts and have nothing but huge warehouses. My preference was 98% to deal with the manufactures and I did. I made a lot of great connections over the years. I even used MAP pricing at times. But I had to sign agreements to stay within percentages. The only time I could cut lower was if they said I could because they let their brick and mortar stores do it for like a holiday or something. It was a bitch to make money. Under these conditions and to try compete with other onliners or stores, I had to border the lowest price I could and hope I could profit by selling high quantity. IF the rules were followed, no harm no foul. But the manufacturers had to be diligent and make sure you stuck to their agreement. It only takes on brick and mortar to complain back to the manufacturer and they will give you a warning. They'd rather lose you then lose possibly a national account. One time I mistyped a price. It was quickly adjusted after a warning. Imho, you don't make it big unless you are like OpticPlanet and have the funds to do it. But the rules are the rules. I sold a lot of things before they were popular in big stores. Once they got what I had to sell, I lost business and decided to shut down. Big brick and mortar stores get better wholesale tier pricing and smaller stores get pricing just below the big guy. If the manufacturers do not care about their retail prices and lets retail vendors under cut everyone else, that is what hurts everyone. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Very true indeed....Shit I've been going to Cheyenne mountain outfitters since I was a kid and I love to go back and buy stuff from them...They have served my whole family for years. Small stores like that know how to keep customer. That's the reason I slapped Botach and OP for all the local stores trying to make it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myhatinthering 462 Posted January 11, 2017 I can destroy one and do a write up if people want. No doubt it will do well, I've had one for a few years and think it's the best of the non aimpoints IMHO. Hell, I already have one rifle at over 3 K steel and recently froze it...lol...just getting started:) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blank 60 Posted January 11, 2017 I can destroy one and do a write up if people want. No doubt it will do well, I've had one for a few years and think it's the best of the non aimpoints IMHO. Hell, I already have one rifle at over 3 K steel and recently froze it...lol...just getting started:)[ Thanks bro glad you like it. Nice to have real Shooters positive feedback... I like when some say how they're going to beat the s*** out of a sight or a piece of equipment and they just shoot from a bench Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myhatinthering 462 Posted January 11, 2017 yeah no, I've had a few in my life that I did everything but run a truck over. My only advice is to wear glasses when dumping sand into the action while firing:) I've never actually tried to outright abuse an optic but I'll do maybe i should set up a gofundme for a holosun and pro optics for the forum and destroy them side by side doing various tests Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted January 11, 2017 MAP is Minimum Advertised Price... it's instituted to keep the playing field level. I know what the term is I was wondering what the dollar amount was because it appears 189 is below it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blank 60 Posted January 12, 2017 MAP price on the HS503CU is $275.99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted January 12, 2017 wow that was way below. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heavyopp 167 Posted January 13, 2017 wow that was way below. Tells you that the markup is pretty good for the retailer... If Botach and optics planet can sell them for $189 you gotta figure they're paying $150 or less per unit We have to pay at least $275 because the manufacturer says so? -- not me -- rather spend another hundred and get an Aimpoint Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted January 19, 2017 So I ordered a brand new Holosun HS503CU after getting interested in them via this thread. EDIT: It's working - I was putting the battery in upside down. The manual shows the correct orientation if I'd actually read it.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdamM 42 Posted January 19, 2017 Note that in the default mode the dot will be very dim unless you have some fairly bright light coming into the solar cell. You can bypass that by holding the + button for more than 5 seconds. Then press the + to make it brighter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sacklunch 22 Posted January 19, 2017 Try flipping the battery. I think that's what I had to do to mine. Look at the instructions for the orientation of the + - sides of the battery, the picture itself might be wrong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted January 19, 2017 Dirty, RTFM before you write it off. Make sure you are using it correctly. Ask me how I know..... Even if it is a bad unit, that happens from time to time. See how heir CS is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted January 19, 2017 I is dumb and did not RTFM closely - was putting the battery in the tray upside down (although it's opposite orientation to every other CR2032 tray I've encountered). It's working now. I'll edit my above post. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schrödinger's cat 87 Posted January 19, 2017 Good on you for posting again after you got it going. :thumbsup: I keep mine on a pretty bright setting. Let us know how it holds up after you put it through it's paces. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites