Screwball

Best of luck for you NJ guys... might as well ask for some Vaseline. NJ law cannot be applied outside of NJ. NY land border, Delaware River, Hudson River, and the Atlantic Ocean is where NJ jurisdiction stops. Federal law is what you follow, if the jurisdiction you are in doesn’t have any laws for transferring firearms (like a requirement that you must go through an FFL unless X). If you do something wrong in PA... you deal with their courts. PA law is applied to you. NJSP isn’t filing charges on that side of the river... and if they tried to charge you with something done in PA, it wouldn’t take an Evan Nappen to get you off. Let’s say you own a house in PA and one in NJ (Seabright, a nice shore home; not a rental) ... PA driver’s license. You buy a Glock 36 (PA’s NICS... I think PICS... and a 4473), which you carry in PA on your carry permit. Going to spend two weeks at your NJ home, and want to stop at GSSC one of the days to practice. You clear your Glock, toss in a lockbox... have a bulk box of .45 FMJ, and drive straight to your place in Seabright. You break a law? Because that logic implies you did. I’ve said it previously, but if you purchase a firearm legally in another state you reside in... and move into NJ... you didn’t do a CoE or pistol permit for those guns. If it’s a private sale, you didn’t even do a 4473. That being said, I’d love to see the statute that they would use in that case. I guess Grewal’s thought process of unlimited jurisdiction is flowing down to other agencies. Sad to see the NJSP following suit. But hey, at least I don’t have to deal with them anymore.

So, we are more upset that NJ is now on that list or that there is a list? If they pull a MidwayUSA, and make a way to upload your FID... are they good? That’s another big issue with the firearm community. Only fight when it affects them. Bump stocks are a prime example... only a matter of time before pistol braces go bye-bye.

I like it, mainly due to work. Cheap to live up here, but excise tax sucks when you have a newer vehicle (I bought my Colorado right before I moved up). Nothing really up here. There is a Walmart in Houlton... and a Super Walmart about an hour north. PizzaHut, Domino’s, and a McDonald’s... Burger King was sketchy, and closed up a few months back. Some smaller bars/diners (if you do come up, check if Grammy’s is open), but nothing special. Bangor has a decent amount of stuff, but when the border is open... almost more worth it to go to Fredericton (Canada; about an hour verses 90ish minutes to Bangor). Personally, I’d say look near the coast... around the Bar Harbor area. More pricey, but more stuff to do. My parents are looking to buy a house in Maine, since they are building one in SC... and I told them to look down there. Aroostook County is a dying county. Federal jobs keep Houlton alive. If the border remains closed, think a lot of Houlton is going to close up for good. Maybe it will change some of the people running the town. Houlton has a few older families that pretty much influence all of the decisions. Wouldn’t do a Super Walmart because people felt it would kill small shops in the downtown. Well... the downtown is dying anyways. 9:00 or so... town closes up. Didn’t believe it until I got off at midnight. Problem is it’s a border town with nothing here. If they allowed outlets or some larger department store... you could likely revitalize Houlton. But nobody wants to stay because there is nothing here. Seriously... a WaWa type store would own this town.

There is a female IOI out of central NJ... who I probably don’t still have her card, but I would have ran it by her. She probably forgot more about Federal firearms regulations than most others know. She told me interstate purchases are good to go. Hell... that is the point of the FFL-03, so collectors can more easily acquire C&R firearms. In regards to them letting the NJSP know... ok? When you fill out the application, you are supposed to let the Chief LEO of your locality know by submitting a copy of the application. Howell Township PD got mine, and Houlton PD got my amendment form (more about that below). Only thing that might have gone to NJSP is the memo I signed that stated I know I cannot have firearms shipped to my home. For the state law aspect... yes, it is on the application that state law must be followed. As in no magazines over 10 rounds, and no M1 Carbines. But let’s say that “state law” goes into the transfer of firearms... where does it specifically say in 2C that all firearms must go through a NJ dealer? Cabela’s really needs to stop doing that, same with FFLs at gun shows selling long guns to NJ residents. I mean they do NICS... but this “NJ paperwork” isn’t always done (4473 is the only paperwork required). Oh the humanity! I still love that someone at the Federal level is interpreting NJ law as having coverage in other states. Learned that is a no-go in Intro to CJ. That is definitely a check in the win column for that field office. And if that guy is telling you that you cannot change the address on a FFL-03... not for nothing, he doesn’t know his ass from his elbow. Changes to FFLs are not done locally, but through WV. How did mine get amended? Why would the form to amend an FFL have FFL-03s listed in three spots; two of them specifying how to fill out said form? Sad that those are the type of people filling in ATF offices now. Whatever the outcome, sorry to hear what you guys get to deal with. Glad I’m not there. And in case it comes off like that... not upset with you. Being in Federal L/E, and having to know the specific laws/regulations/codes for my agency... I also have to know related laws for a few other agencies; ATF, DOT, EPA, FDA, etc. Our supervisors/FTOs would have an aneurism if we started trying to enforce state laws that conflict with Federal laws (marijuana, for example). I am really disgusted how that guy completely blew smoke up your ass... since he should be able to answer your questions correctly.

I got mine in NJ... transferred to ME when I moved up here. If you look up C&R threads started by capt14k, you’ll see one or two I posted in regarding my application process. You still can’t have anything shipped to your place (ATF will have you sign a letter that says as much, and give you a copy). If you find someone else with a C&R, you can do private sales with them without an FFL... pistol permit or CoE applied (it would be in both of your books). The new CoE is on the NJSP website... or at least should be. Any other private sale, goes through an FFL. Now, I saw your original post... and didn’t reply for this reason. Looking at the law, as well as Federal legislation relating to the FFL-03 (C&R), I feel that if you are out of state and not doing a transaction with a NJ entity... you are good to go judging all state laws are followed (magazine capacity and AWB considerations). When I was there, I bought a Colt Vest Pocket, Colt 1917, and S&W Victory revolver, from the Oaks gun show. Would have got a CZ-52... but the seller was arguing with me about it being legal (he wanted me to make the older guy who sold me the 1917 leave his table and walk across the show to ask him questions; I said it wasn’t worth the hassle, but any seller does not have to recognize your license... completely their discretion). When I came up to ME for the two weeks prior to the academy, I also bought a S&W M&P revolver (1918 production) from a local shop... again off the C&R. I posted it on S&W Forum, and got told how I illegally purchased it from a member residing in NJ. Said he got jammed up for it, but would not quote the section of law where NJ limits legal firearm purchases outside of NJ. That all being said, I still don’t see out of state purchases being an issue... as long as you aren’t circumventing NJ law (meeting an NJ resident in PA to transfer a C&R... whereas it “should” have gone through an NJ FFL; or firearm restrictions that would jam you up, like bringing back an M1 Carbine). NJ pistol permits state they are only for use within NJ, and last time I checked... NJ’s 2C:39 (and whatever the 50s section is related to sales; maybe 54) stop at the Delaware, Hudson, and NY land border. A legally purchased pistol, complying with NJ firearms law, is not considered illegal when someone moves into NJ, nor is there any requirements for registration/permits. Shy of that, I doubt any changes to NJ law has popped up in the last year related to a “C&R loophole.” I personally browse the forum periodically, and have no issue discussing NJ law regarding C&Rs... but I sure as hell won’t be getting into arguments over it (blanket statement... not directed at anyone). Have more important things to do than argue law over a state that I was completely happy to leave. For the C&R, it isn’t a bad thing to have. Discounts from Brownell’s and other places make it worth it... even though I haven’t seen if Brownell’s still is doing it (haven’t logged in to check prices). Up here, I had the poster boy of NJ’s AWB sent directly to my house; M1 Carbine. Got a non-import marked Manurhin PP. Century had dirt cheap Enfield muskets, which I’m going to take the three I picked up and piece together one to rechamber to 3” .410. But I also finished my small collection of guns that spoke to my appreciation of history; Carcano M38, S&W Victory, Colt Cobra (shrouded), and an Iver Johnson Cadet in .22 LR. Conspiracy theories aside, examples of all the guns directly related to both Kennedy assassinations. Might be a bit grim, but it definitely gives you a different perspective when you can pick up a gun just like whatever person used and fire it. Oswald’s Carcano... I never knew of the ability to view the irons with the optic installed. Under 100 yards, makes the story a little clearer than an History Channel documentary. Best of luck with your application. While you might be expecting a meeting with ATF, need to remember about COVID. They might be holding off on interviews due to that.

My bigger appeal to pistol caliber stuff (whether carbine or braced pistol) is magazine compatibility. When I built my AR pistol, I went 5.56mm since I was issued a .40 H&K P2000. Not a lot of guns take those magazines... other than P2000s and USP Compacts (I got 17 magazines for when my dad leaves NJ, since they are 12 rounders). A PMAG is just as useful. I got our new Glock (19 Gen 5 MOS) two weeks ago. Sticking with the 5.56mm for the near future, just until we find out more info on what magazines are good for duty use... but I’ll probably toss in a 9mm AR pistol that uses Glock magazine to the rotation. The pistol aspect allows me to leave it loaded in my truck (F&G law for long guns). I’m sort of tossed between the CMMG Banshee and Angstadt Arms UDP-9. Don’t think I have another 5.56mm AR up here yet... well, at least full firearm (have a stocked Echo lower, and a stripped Anderson). My .45 D/I AR is up here... going to be applying for a stamp to SBR it (down to 11”, but mainly to have a SBR lower in my safe). AOWing my TAC-14 will also be happening in the same E-File. I do have my .40 KelTec SUB-2000 (M&P magazines), which I’ll probably use up some of the extra duty/training ammo I got from the switch (200 rounds of Federal HP, and about 250 of that purple Winchester FMJ). Other than the M1 Carbine, I don’t think I got anything else in the PCC realm up here. Still in NJ... think my CX4 rounds out the list. I do have two other ARs, as well. But only one needs to be revamped for ME (fixed stock carbine will get a MFT Minimalist, to follow that soon to be SBR).

Guns used were a shotgun... which he likely acquired in the US illegally. After he killed the RCMP officer, he was in possession of her sidearm and rifle. He did not have any firearms license in Canada. Suspect also had ties to the town where our port is located. I personally want to see them start arguing about us carrying our duty guns while in Canada; whether we are transporting someone back to CBSA or heading thru Canada to one of our outports. COVID is getting them all worried about us crossing, so I’m sure more US guns are going to be discussed. When this went down, I was sitting on the border for Border Patrol... in an area where they had previous situations where they believe drugs were handed off. Pretty much, a US road dead ends, and a Canadian road run parallel to that road and the border (maybe 10’ apart). Came back to the port to talk with my supervisor... who said he was about to run another officer with an M4 due to the situation, but found out the suspect was dead before they got out there. Gave me the rundown of the events. Sort of pissed me off, since RCMP stopped by and talked for about 30 minutes prior to this... and suspect was impersonating an RCMP officer. Great communication...

I can agree... the TLR-7 is awesome, but I do recommend the TLR-7A instead. The side buttons on the original can be turned on in certain holsters... had it happen a few times to me. And the light does get warm rather quick. The rear switches are a superior design. From what I’ve seen so far, most TLR-7 holsters will accept the A model without issue. I use the high switch for my Glock. Your mileage may vary.

Tomorrow, three .410 Enfield muskets will be arriving... that will be my project until stuff settles down. Hoping to get at least two complete rifles, even if I have to restock them. One I’ll likely keep in the chambering, and the other will be reamed to 3” .410. Unsure how that will be done, but either a coworker who does gunsmithing/FFL or ill give it a shot.

Maybe you aren’t following me... I want it to punch through stuff. That is the whole point of having the M855 available. Level IIIA armor, possibly Level III armor, glass windshields, etc. I have four magazines on my carrier; two with red bands (.223 labeled), two with green (5.56mm labeled). My pistol is loaded with a red banded 20 rounder. Red marked magazines are Hornady CD. Green marked magazines are M855.

Define worst? Because if I keep it in there to punch through things that the other load won’t... I think it is a good option.

May not make sense to you... an 11.5” 5.56mm AR makes sense for my needs, and quite a few others. At least eight or so people in my port are running something similar as a truck gun (while there is local, county, and state presence in our town, CBP and BP outnumber them all together; if something goes down, we likely will be responding whether on or off duty). A 10.5” Krinkov clone makes enough sense that they are regularly out of stock on PSA. And when they come back in stock, they are out of stock within a day or two. That being said, I’ll be happy when that pistol comes home because it is a neat little package, just like those who like the AKS74U (I’m not a 5.45mm guy)... and that is good enough for me. Ballistically, a 12.5’ .308 isn’t doing much more than a similarly short 7.62x39mm... which is why I didn’t put my money there. Not going to lie, was definitely close... until I started browsing PSA’s website and seeing reviews. Punching .30 holes in a target might be fun... but it can be done cheaper and easier with an AK platform. Not as heavy of a weapon system, and aftermarket is huge. 16” .308s might be out there, but how popular are they? And what is the trade off? Most people opt for 18”... but neither are really giving me something over my 11.5” AR when you consider portability and firepower. Hornady CD 73 grain ammo will do the job across a Walmart, which is pretty much all I really could ask it to do. If it doesn’t, I have M855 in magazines on my plate carrier, as well. That being said, no issue with your choice. If I were still in NJ, a 16” M1A would definitely be a consideration... since I already have a M1A. Besides... it’s your money; but what spins your wheels.

I considered a .308 AR pistol as another truck gun, but figured going down to a 12.5” barrel wouldn’t be as beneficial as a .308 with a 16+” barrel. Only plus would have been “firearm” territory, so could toss a vertical grip on. But then I’m going into a platform I don’t have any gear for (no .308 AR magazines)... so have to buy more stuff to run the gun. So, my final choice was an AK pistol... for when a .223 isn’t enough (likely not too common), 7.62x39mm will work. I have a WASR already, so magazines and other gear will work between the two guns. But to be fair, it definitely was a s***s and giggles purchase (who doesn’t want a Krinkov clone?). I’ve fired the 16” M1As (one with that quad rail... which I hated; and then one without), and personally prefer the 22” model... which is what I own. If I am at the shorter barrel length, rather a pistol grip than a traditional rifle stock. Have never seen an M1A chassis that does a pistol grip right, without weighing a ton. Is the 22” M1A a gun I’m firing from my truck? Probably not... but if I’d have to, I’d figure it out. The 16” ones likely would fit that role a lot better.

I bought an AK pistol yesterday... was going back and forth on getting another AR pistol/firearm, but wanted something a little heavier than 5.56mm. .308 was too expensive, so 7.62x39mm fit the bill perfectly. But my purchase just happened to fit in with this said panic. Also have a bundle of TP... so good there. What I picked up... https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ak-p-moe-triangle-side-folding-pistol-black.html

CBP is transitioning to 9mm... namely the 19 (pissed that BP is given the option for the 47). We have 9mm ammo (147 grain Ranger), but only the two people down at the academy now will have the guns before October. So... we still have .40 H&K P2000 LEMs. I don’t mind it, but I don’t carry it except for while on duty. Don’t mind .40... but rather 9mm or .45.

Chart is L/E sensitive... but if you are a US citizen or LPR, have everything on a CBP 4457 (sorry, I got it messed up in previous post). An officer will have to confirm numbers/sign. It shows you had possession of it in the US, and you are just bringing it back. Will other paperwork suffice on return trip? Probably... but the 4457 will definitely work. And if you leave again, as long as the same guns go, you’ll have the form already filled out (doesn’t expire). It is a form roughly the size of an index card. Whatever Georgia requires... no idea.

How long are you going to Georgia? I have a chart with the ATF forms needed, but sitting in my locker at work. I’ll be there Monday, if it isn’t time pressing. It breaks down which forms go with what circumstance. We had a guy trying to bring in rifles from an Artic exploration ship a few months back (taking them to Remington to have them rebuilt), and thought he would be ok having them transferred over in Canada. Needed a firearms importer to do it, which he really didn’t want to deal with. For ownership, a CBP 4475 should be good. We use it for things like pumps and other serialized pieces of equipment going into Canada, so when they bring it back, we know it isn’t newly purchased. It’s hard to say, being hunters going over to Canada only hand their Canadian weapon registration forms to show they came in with the guns... and we might run serial numbers if they are filing Fish/Wildlife forms on the way in. I’ve had Canadians come in with ATF forms/firearms, but nothing really related to a US Citizen.

This is correct... folding braces is now the issue where OAL is questioned (even though it wasn’t). I’m doing an AOW stamp on my TAC-14 for that.

I saw it on FB, then was looking at Defensive Carry forum... one of the members was there. Might get a little insight via that... but he wasn’t carrying at the time (next stop for him was dentist, and didn’t want to leave a gun locked in the car). But some of his observations might be insightful to some.

Still a firearm, and not a shotgun. As long as OAL is over 26”, would be good.

Yea, scored a .25 Colt M1908 and a .45 Colt M1917 there... I’m actually looking forward to going to a gun show up here, but being I can just have stuff I’m interested in shipped directly to me, I watch GunBroker and classifieds on forums a little more than I did.

Pictures... ok. Don’t need the vertical grip up here in Maine, but as mentioned, would be just under 26”. Like the 11.5” barrel, so if I wanted the vertical grip, I’d have to do the A5 tube (which I don’t, as the brace would stop before the reaching the castle nut; understand the OAL requirement... but feel that is a crappy way to make it up). Can see my ghetto selector markings... Running a Fostech Echo II in it for a short term test. If I like it, might send the lower out to be engraved (need to have someone do my TAC-14 when I put in for an AOW). If not and go back to the nickel coated MilSpec trigger... pull them off and be done with it. Anderson lower... got two on Black Friday. Adams Arms PZ upper, since I feel piston runs better with shorter barrels (may eventually suppress it, which is another plus for piston). SBA3 brace, MOE-K grip, KVP linear compensator, and a SIG ROMEO 5 on LaRue mount. MS4 sling, as well. Keeping an older PMAG 20 (straight one) for storage in truck, and 30s for reloads. All with Ranger plates. Ammo split up between either M855 or Hornady Critical Defense 73 grain. The CD shoots great out of short barrels, and I keep M855 around in case I have to shoot through something.

A standard carbine buffer tube and 11.5” barrel (unpinned), is just shy of 26”. The A5 tube should be fine unpinned.

Kind of want to get one of those “new” Ruger Mini-14 folding stocks and a stainless rifle. Other than that, might get into the 5.7mm racket. I like the Ruger for the price point, but CMMG’s 5.7mm Conversion really is nice. 40 round magazine, standard AR lower, and 8” barrel should be close to the ballistics out of a P90. Want to see what the new 5.7mm loads before I even attempt to move away from my 11.5” 5.56mm pistol Python... maybe eventually. I rather find an older Cobra with hammer shield to get a Jack Ruby gun into the collection (along with both of Oswald’s).