david8613 69 Posted June 4, 2010 i would like to know what your opinions are on the smaller caliber pistols like .22, .25, 32, .380 cal. and any others i may have missed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted June 4, 2010 It would be helpful if you were more specific. Stopping power? Concealable? Recoil? Deadliness? Controllable? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LibertyOrDeath 3 Posted June 4, 2010 Whats the intended purpose? Whats your budget? I collect Mouse Guns and have a few, everything from a Raven MP25 (low end) upto a 1891 Colt Model 10 derringer in.22L(High End). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david8613 69 Posted June 4, 2010 stopping power.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted June 4, 2010 stopping power.... .357 snubbie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LibertyOrDeath 3 Posted June 4, 2010 "Gold Dot" by Speer and CCI "Stingers" make some nasty PD rounds in some of the smaller calibers mostly .22,.25 and 32. No offense Malsua but the 'J' frame revolvers are far from mouse guns :snooty: ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted June 4, 2010 "Gold Dot" by Speer and CCI "Stingers" make some nasty PD rounds in some of the smaller calibers mostly .22,.25 and 32. No offense Malsua but the 'J' frame revolvers are far from mouse guns :snooty: ! Not that Wiki is any source...just the most convenient. Revolver mouseguns North American Arms model NAA22S mini-revolver, chambered in .22 Short. Examples of revolver mouseguns include the North American Arms Mini Revolver, which is a spur trigger design with birdshead grips. The North American Arms Mini Revolver is styled very much like popular pocket revolvers of the 19th Century, but is made entirely of stainless steel. Smith & Wesson's "J-Frame" series of revolvers are a common choice for mouseguns. Just look here. http://tinyurl.com/2554rev Most folks consider J-frames to be mouse guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david8613 69 Posted June 4, 2010 got the 357 snubbie covered with a taurus 617, i wanted to learn about smaller calibers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LibertyOrDeath 3 Posted June 4, 2010 I STAND CORRECTED! :oops: Thats news to me, I have a couple of J frame revolvers and never considered them mouse guns compared to the smaller pistols I have. Learn something new everyday. +1 Thanks Malsua :mrgreen: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted June 4, 2010 I am beginning to think there is a website for every human pursuit. http://www.mouseguns.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted June 4, 2010 got the 357 snubbie covered with a taurus 617, i wanted to learn about smaller calibers... More people die from .22 than from the other calibers but vastly more people are shot with a .22. .380 is the bare minimum in an auto as far as I'm concerned and even that is weak. That said, any gun is better than no gun. Marksmanship is more important than caliber. Everything is a compromise. .25acp is useless, .32acp slightly less useless but both will kill you dead. The .25 will have trouble with heavy clothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djg0770 481 Posted June 4, 2010 I am beginning to think there is a website for every human pursuit. http://www.mouseguns.com/ From that mouseguns link... http://www.smallestguns.com/ And a nice pocketgun chart: http://www.mouseguns.com/PocketAutoComparison.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted June 4, 2010 got the 357 snubbie covered with a taurus 617, i wanted to learn about smaller calibers... .25acp is useless, .32acp slightly less useless but both will kill you dead. The .25 will have trouble with heavy clothing. I agree, and it's true. 25 acp is actually not as powerful as a 22LR. and a 32acp is very close in size to a 380. 380's suck too. Dave, get a 38! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted June 4, 2010 380 with corbon ammo is about equal to a 38. Both are below my minimum comfort level. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david8613 69 Posted June 4, 2010 man, djg0770, lunker that is some good reading there i especially like the comparison chart! the 380 bullet is almost the same size as 9mm, do they even compare in ballistics? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted June 4, 2010 380 ACP - 9mm x 17mm case 9mm Makarov - 9mm x 18mm case 9mm Parabellum - 9mm x 19 case Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted June 4, 2010 m the 380 bullet is almost the same size as 9mm, do they even compare in ballistics? 380 has half or slightly more than half as much energy as a 9mm. There are only a few +p rounds for 380 and I don't believe there is a Saami spec for +p in 380...meaning you're running a risk of the gun blowing apart with hot loads. Most modern 9mm on the other hand have a legit +p saami max pressure rating so you'll see the good common personal defense ammos like Cor-Bon in +p in 9mm, far exceeding anything a 380 can do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites