ryan_j 0 Posted August 15, 2013 http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/woollard_filed_brief.pdf Maryland case, Cato is backing a cert petition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted August 15, 2013 The petition for en banc was filed yesterday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
springfieldxds 0 Posted August 15, 2013 Is there a reading for the petition Seems like there might be a good chance en banc is granted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted August 15, 2013 here ya go drakevfilko_enbanc.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PDM 91 Posted August 15, 2013 Unfortunately very, very few en banc petitions are granted. It is a rarity. Keeping my fingers crossed though. Perhaps the strong dissent will help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted August 15, 2013 True. It's a stepping stone to SCOTUS. But it had to be done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
springfieldxds 0 Posted August 15, 2013 Thanks Ryan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millsan1 3 Posted August 15, 2013 here ya go Thanks for that. I just read the petition. I looked around and found the NJ AG response to the petition. "There is no nee-ad for an en banc because we don't think it is nee-added" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
springfieldxds 0 Posted August 15, 2013 Millsan can you please share the AG response Also how long does it usually take till we get a decision on en banc approval or denial Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted August 15, 2013 When I dropped off my paperwork for more PPPs yesterday, at my municipal PD, I informed the police records staff that per the law Christie signed today (effective immediately) I wanted to request the following information from the PD: # of Pistol Purchase Permits issued in 2011, 2012, 2013 # of FID cards issued in 2011, 2012, 2013 # of carry permits issued in 2011, 2012, 2013 # of Pistol Purchase Permit applications rejected in 2011, 2012, 2013 # of FID card applications rejected in 2011, 2012, 2013 # of carry permit applications rejected in 2011, 2012, 2013 They were noticeably annoyed with me and confused over the law since they were completely unaware and told me I’d have to talk to the state police. I informed them that they were incorrect and that this information, per the law, was on a municipal basis, not just statewide. They told me “uhhh, uhhh, you’re going to have to talk to the clerk. His office is down the hall on the left” in a very annoyed and angry tone. I smiled (huge, devilish smile) and told them, “thank you VERY much!” I went to the clerk’s office and asked the same question. They politely told me that weren’t aware of the details of the law, yet, but that I’d have to fill out an OPRA request (with which they very nicely and willingly helped me make sure I filled out correctly) and that they’d give me whatever information they could per the law which they would research. They said to give them a week or two and that they’ll get back to me. I will keep you all updated with any response I receive. I urge everyone to perform the same request at your local PDs. If anyone has any other ideas for what we can request, I’d be game for heading back to the clerk and filling out more OPRA forms. Pehaps I misread the bill, but I didn't see any reference to carry permits issued. I don't think that will help you out since it's per municipality. Unless you want to show how few are issued. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millsan1 3 Posted August 15, 2013 Millsan can you please share the AG response Also how long does it usually take till we get a decision on en banc approval or denial I was making a joke relating to the AG argument and her pronunciation of "need". If you go back in the thread and find the audio of the oral arguments presented before this decision, you will see what I meant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted August 15, 2013 I was making a joke relating to the AG argument and her pronunciation of "need". If you go back in the thread and find the audio of the oral arguments presented before this decision, you will see what I meant. Her argument was terrible. One judge was leading her and she still fugged it up. Ah judicial activism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CageFighter 236 Posted August 16, 2013 Michael Wildes is a f**kin tool! esp after readng his website & seeing him suck off the other politicians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted August 16, 2013 Millsan can you please share the AG response Also how long does it usually take till we get a decision on en banc approval or denial Not long. I think less than a month. At least that's what it took for Maryland. Incidentally I think the cert petition response is due any day now for that case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PDM 91 Posted August 16, 2013 Michael Wildes is a f**kin tool! esp after readng his website & seeing him suck off the other politicians. Thanks for noticing. Perhaps this is off topic for this thread and I don't want to highjack it, but the dual class system in this state -- retired police and privileged politicians vs everyone else -- is, to me an important issue in the fight for 2A rights. I hope there is more emphasis in the future in publicly exposing hypocrites like Wildes, Assemblyman Cryan and others who do everything in their power to take away rights from ordinary, hardworking people purely for political pandering purposes while enjoying those rights themselves. These people are worse than the diehard anti-gun activists like Loretta Weinberg who at least act out of personal conviction, even if they are horribly misguided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted August 16, 2013 Petition for cert for the Maryland case has been filed by the way. I would attach the doc but it is barely over the file size limit here. If an admin wants to help out and post it, let me know. http://www.dxtonic.com/woollard_petition.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted August 19, 2013 Maryland case gets some additional Amicus briefs: Gun owners of America (via Gun Owners Foundation): http://www.gunowners.com/Woollard.v.Gallagher.AmicusBrief.pdf American Civil Rights Union: http://theacru.org/No.13-42_Amicus_Woolard_v_Gallagher_081213.pdf The NRA and a couple others have filed Amicus briefs as well. The GOA brief is interesting because GOA has teamed up with a number of other organizations including Citizens United. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted August 19, 2013 So from what it seems the MD case has stronger support for Cert than did Kachalsky, and is a more clear cut case. This should be a good case to go before SCOTUS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
springfieldxds 0 Posted August 27, 2013 Any news on the en banc decision Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted August 27, 2013 Any news on the en banc decision Nothing. But, don't get your hopes up. Those are usually denied. The good news is that the Woollard case (Maryland) along with this one are ramping up to go to SCOTUS. Scott Bach was on GFH radio a couple weeks ago talking about it. He was saying that the backstop is the Pantano case that Evan Nappen is arguing in the NJ Supreme Court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted August 28, 2013 Rehearing en banc DENIED. 8 to 4 vote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted August 28, 2013 So from here it goes to a cert petition for SCOTUS to hear it. They have 90 days to file, which means late November at the latest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJPatriot 0 Posted August 28, 2013 The Judicial branch of government has long been corrupted and is simply an enabler for liberal public policy over constitutional affirmed rights. I can't believe that intelligent, honest people could disagree with A. Gura's well thought out and presented brief. Is the 3rd circuit left leaning? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maintenanceguy 510 Posted August 28, 2013 What's the usual SCOTUS schedule. How quickly do they typically accept or deny hearing a case and then, how long does it typically take to be heard? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted August 28, 2013 What's the usual SCOTUS schedule. How quickly do they typically accept or deny hearing a case and then, how long does it typically take to be heard? They have 90 days to respond to a cert petition and they typically take almost the full 90 days. That said, if they grant cert in our case, it could very well come up in the 2015 term. Let's hope that they take the Maryland one, because who knows what the court will be like in a few years. One more Sotomayor, Kagan or <shudder> Ginsburg on the court and we are toast. An answer for the Maryland case is due in October. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted August 28, 2013 The Judicial branch of government has long been corrupted and is simply an enabler for liberal public policy over constitutional affirmed rights. I can't believe that intelligent, honest people could disagree with A. Gura's well thought out and presented brief. Is the 3rd circuit left leaning? The active judges are comprised of 7 Clinton and Obama appointees and 5 GW Bush Appointees. A lot of the judges appointed by Democrats are getting up there in age. What can I say. Vote Republican in 2016? Or vote Republican in 2014 as a matter of fact, or even vote R in the October election. The Rs take the senate and they can block Obama's appointees before he gets to do any real damage. Because you know a liberal supreme court is pretty much the end for us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted September 25, 2013 Gura replied to Maryland's brief opposing cert. He references our case several times. Very good read and very powerful. 13-42_reply_brief.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted October 10, 2013 Conference is tomorrow and we should know next week whether it gets cert or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted October 12, 2013 And actually there are two gun cases which were in yesterday's conference. One of course was Woollard v Gallagher which is the Maryland carry case. The other is Lane v (Eric) Holder which deals with interstate handgun sales. However the question is, "Whether consumers have standing to challenge the constitutionality of laws regulating the sale of firearms." Both are SAF cases. We should know on Tuesday whether they've been granted cert. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pythagoras 2 Posted October 13, 2013 Thanks for keeping us abreast of these developments, ryan_j Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites