Any Oath Keepers Here?

[Wojo 98]

Oath Keepers, please PM me. Some one is coming to town and a meeting is going to take place to discuss current and future affairs.

[Ray Ray 3,566]

Wojo, is this the prior service forum?

[Wojo 98]

Oath Keeper Public Site

 

Oath Keeper Secure Forum

[Frank Jack Fiamingo 58]

Oath Keeper Public Site

 

Oath Keeper Secure Forum

 

wojo - for those of us who are unfamiliar, could you please explain a little about what the "Oath Keepers" is about.

 

Thank you

[alowerlevel 77]

wojo - for those of us who are unfamiliar, could you please explain a little about what the "Oath Keepers" is about.

 

Thank you

 

Found this on their site. http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/03/03/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/

Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution

 

Our motto is "Not on our watch!"

[Wojo 98]

The OK's are primarily prior and active duty military and LEO's who have taken an Oath to defend the Constitution. We have no political agenda, although it does come into the mix. We are not the Tea Party, but many members belong to both. We are not looking for or hope to have anarchy, but law and order according to the Constitution. The links above state it better then I can. But what I cut and pasted below will give you a good idea of the Mission Statement.

 

Boys, there are storm clouds on the horizon.

 

Orders We Will Not Obey

“The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army” -- Gen. George Washington, to his troops before the battle of Long Island

 

 

Such a time is near at hand again. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this Army -- and this Marine Corps, This Air Force, This Navy and the National Guard and police units of these sovereign states.

 

Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, peace officers, fire-fighters, and veterans who swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic … and meant it. We won’t “just follow orders.”

 

Below is our declaration of orders we will NOT obey because we will consider them unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral violations of the natural rights of the people. Such orders would be acts of war against the American people by their own government, and thus acts of treason. We will not make war against our own people. We will not commit treason. We will defend the Republic.

 

 

Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey

Recognizing that we each swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and affirming that we are guardians of the Republic, of the principles in our Declaration of Independence, and of the rights of our people, we affirm and declare the following:

 

1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.

 

The attempt to disarm the people on April 19, 1775 was the spark of open conflict in the American Revolution. That vile attempt was an act of war, and the American people fought back in justified, righteous self-defense of their natural rights. Any such order today would also be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason. We will not make war on our own people, and we will not commit treason by obeying any such treasonous order.

 

Nor will we assist, or support any such attempt to disarm the people by other government entities, either state or federal.

 

 

In addition, we affirm that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to preserve the military power of the people so that they will, in the last resort, have effective final recourse to arms and to the God of Hosts in the face of tyranny. Accordingly, we oppose any and all further infringements on the right of the people to keep and bear arms. In particular we oppose a renewal of the misnamed “assault-weapons” ban or the enactment of H.R. 45 (which would register and track gun owners like convicted pedophiles).

 

2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects -- such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons.

 

One of the causes of the American Revolution was the use of “writs of assistance,” which were essentially warrantless searches because there was no requirement of a showing of probable cause to a judge, and the first fiery embers of American resistance were born in opposition to those infamous writs. The Founders considered all warrantless searches to be unreasonable and egregious. It was to prevent a repeat of such violations of the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects that the Fourth Amendment was written.

 

We expect that sweeping warrantless searches of homes and vehicles, under some pretext, will be the means used to attempt to disarm the people.

 

3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal.

 

One of the causes of the American Revolution was the denial of the right to jury trial, the use of admiralty courts (military tribunals) instead, and the application of the laws of war to the colonists. After that experience, and being well aware of the infamous Star Chamber in English history, the Founders ensured that the international laws of war would apply only to foreign enemies, not to the American people. Thus, the Article III Treason Clause establishes the only constitutional form of trial for an American, not serving in the military, who is accused of making war on his own nation. Such a trial for treason must be before a civilian jury, not a tribunal.

 

The international laws of war do not trump our Bill of Rights. We reject as illegitimate any such claimed power, as did the Supreme Court in Ex Parte Milligan (1865). Any attempt to apply the laws of war to American civilians, under any pretext, such as against domestic “militia” groups the government brands “domestic terrorists,” is an act of war and an act of treason.

 

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state’s legislature and governor.

 

One of the causes of the American Revolution was the attempt “to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power” by disbanding the Massachusetts legislature and appointing General Gage as “military governor.” The attempt to disarm the people of Massachusetts during that martial law sparked our Revolution. Accordingly, the power to impose martial law – the absolute rule over the people by a military officer with his will alone being law – is nowhere enumerated in our Constitution.

 

Further, it is the militia of a state and of the several states that the Constitution contemplates being used in any context, during any emergency within a state, not the standing army.

 

The imposition of martial law by the national government over a state and its people, treating them as an occupied enemy nation, is an act of war. Such an attempted suspension of the Constitution and Bill of Rights voids the compact with the states and with the people.

 

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.

 

In response to the obscene growth of federal power and to the absurdly totalitarian claimed powers of the Executive, upwards of 20 states are considering, have considered, or have passed courageous resolutions affirming states rights and sovereignty.

 

Those resolutions follow in the honored and revered footsteps of Jefferson and Madison in their Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, and likewise seek to enforce the Constitution by affirming the very same principles of our Declaration, Constitution, and Bill of Rights that we Oath Keepers recognize and affirm.

 

Chief among those principles is that ours is a dual sovereignty system, with the people of each state retaining all powers not granted to the national government they created, and thus the people of each state reserved to themselves the right to judge when the national government they created has voided the compact between the states by asserting powers never granted.

 

Upon the declaration by a state that such a breach has occurred, we will not obey orders to force that state to submit to the national government.

 

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

 

One of the causes of the American Revolution was the blockade of Boston, and the occupying of that city by the British military, under martial law. Once hostilities began, the people of Boston were tricked into turning in their arms in exchange for safe passage, but were then forbidden to leave. That confinement of the residents of an entire city was an act of war.

 

Such tactics were repeated by the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto, and by the Imperial Japanese in Nanking, turning entire cities into death camps. Any such order to disarm and confine the people of an American city will be an act of war and thus an act of treason.

 

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

 

Mass, forced internment into concentration camps was a hallmark of every fascist and communist dictatorship in the 20th Century. Such internment was unfortunately even used against American citizens of Japanese descent during World War II. Whenever a government interns its own people, it treats them like an occupied enemy population. Oppressive governments often use the internment of women and children to break the will of the men fighting for their liberty – as was done to the Boers, to the Jewish resisters in the Warsaw Ghetto, and to the Chechens, for example.

 

Such a vile order to forcibly intern Americans without charges or trial would be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason, regardless of the pretext used. We will not commit treason, nor will we facilitate or support it.”NOT on Our Watch!”

 

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control” during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war.

 

During the American Revolution, the British government enlisted the aid of Hessian mercenaries in an attempt to subjugate the rebellious American people. Throughout history, repressive regimes have enlisted the aid of foreign troops and mercenaries who have no bonds with the people.

 

Accordingly, as the militia of the several states are the only military force contemplated by the Constitution, in Article I, Section 8, for domestic keeping of the peace, and as the use of even our own standing army for such purposes is without such constitutional support, the use of foreign troops and mercenaries against the people is wildly unconstitutional, egregious, and an act of war.

 

We will oppose such troops as enemies of the people and we will treat all who request, invite, and aid those foreign troops as the traitors they are.

 

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.

 

One of the causes of the American Revolution was the seizure and forfeiture of American ships, goods, and supplies, along with the seizure of American timber for the Royal Navy, all in violation of the people’s natural right to their property and to the fruits of their labor. The final spark of the Revolution was the attempt by the government to seize powder and cannon stores at Concord.

 

Deprivation of food has long been a weapon of war and oppression, with millions intentionally starved to death by fascist and communist governments in the 20th Century alone.

 

Accordingly, we will not obey or facilitate orders to confiscate food and other essential supplies from the people, and we will consider all those who issue or carry out such orders to be the enemies of the people.

 

10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

 

 

[Frank Jack Fiamingo 58]

Thank you both for your explanations. It sounds like an organization that fits in with my philosophy almost perfectly. I am not current or former military, but respect and honor both for their service. However, I believe in Nature and the fundamental value of humans, rather than in God. Would that necessarily preclude me from participating. I have nothing against the belief in God, I have just found that in my life, the value of humankind does not depend upon the existence of God. I feel strongly that as the (currently) foremost creature of Nature, mankind has intrinsic value in and of him(her)self. Is there anything in your credo that would accept this explanation of the worth of mankind, or must it be based on a belief in God.

 

Thank you,

[Wojo 98]

Frank, I believe they have an Associate Membership status or something similar. While I am a believer, I'm of the opinion that they could tone it down a bit. It is more in the spirit of Colonial times. A lot of us / people who have had close encounters with death, tend to have special relationship with our creator, whatever name you call it is up to you.

 

Drop in and see what is going on.

[Shane45 807]

Im game for this as well time permitting. I can fake the god part unless faith in Colt is acceptable

[Wojo 98]

Some think Samuel Colt is the messiah, but true believers know it is John Moses Browning.

[Frank Jack Fiamingo 58]

Thanks for the info wojo. Also, I want to thank you for agreeing to help us with our programs to build membership. We *TRULY* appreciate the help, and I personally look forward to working with you.

[Wojo 98]

Well last nights meeting was very interesting. On some levels disturbing but nothing really new or surprising to anyone reading the Tea Leaves of our current situation. I was encouraged at how much support we are getting from all levels of law enforcement, military groups and civilians. It is safe to say, that at least 60% of active LEO's will follow the Rules of an OK. NJ and Gun Laws is a different story however.

 

FWIW, keep a good supply of food, pay down as much as your debt as you can, keep a chunk of cash on hand and spend some of the money you are buying more ammo and guns with on some gold or silver coins.

 

We have a cheap book out, but you can download here for free. If you want a hard copy contact me and I can mail one out to you for $8 including postage. I have to buy them and just rounding up the cost to the next dollar to keep it round numbers.

 

Disaster Ready People for a Disaster Ready America

[fliks 20]

wojo - thank you and all the Oath Keepers. I hope most LEOs and military personnel keep their Oaths when they are ordered to act against the Constitution. would you mind if I re-post or paraphrase your statement above on another forum that I'm on? (it's grabtheapple.com - not very popular, but I like it) giving you full credit, of course.

[JimmyAGR 54]

Wojo I am interested in learning more about the Oath Keepers. Do they have regular meetings? I served 6 years in the Navy, and still remember my swearing in where I made the pledge to defend against all enemies foreign or domestic. You can only learn so much from reading a website. I would rather meet people in person if there are meetings.

[Wojo 98]

wojo - thank you and all the Oath Keepers. I hope most LEOs and military personnel keep their Oaths when they are ordered to act against the Constitution. would you mind if I re-post or paraphrase your statement above on another forum that I'm on? (it's grabtheapple.com - not very popular, but I like it) giving you full credit, of course.

 

Sure, what ever works.

[Wojo 98]

Wojo I am interested in learning more about the Oath Keepers. Do they have regular meetings? I served 6 years in the Navy, and still remember my swearing in where I made the pledge to defend against all enemies foreign or domestic. You can only learn so much from reading a website. I would rather meet people in person if there are meetings.

 

No real meetings, just using the forums to keep up to date on things. People are scattered all over the state. Although, you have our state coordinator not to far from you.

[JimmyAGR 54]

Well I am available to learn and listen if that would be appropriate. Thank you.

[Ray Ray 3,566]

Im game for this as well time permitting. I can fake the god part unless faith in Colt is acceptable

 

God bless you Shane.