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Fox 29 Investigates: Philly Gun Permits

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Dan    177

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What is this "character provision" they are talking about regarding the PA LTCF that apparently FL lacks. They are hinging their entire argument on this provision saying it will "weed out the bad guys".

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What is this "character provision" they are talking about regarding the PA LTCF that apparently FL lacks. They are hinging their entire argument on this provision saying it will "weed out the bad guys".

 

Lets call it the PA anti-gun lib's version of "Justifiable need". They can't have justifiable need so they'll settle for turning people down because of "bad character".

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My boss is from PA and (without reading the article) what he explained to me the problem is the fact that if someone in PA is rejected for the CCW they just go and get a FL one. There is a VERY easy solution for the problem. Require someone that lives in PA to have a PA CCW to carry there. Exactly how the FL one works. If you live in FL you NEED a FL CCW to carry. Period.

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Dan    177

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I thought PA was "shall issue". The ability to arbitrarily deny people a permit based on what the govt feels about a person's "character" sounds similar to NJ's "justifiable need" clause. This effectively would make it a "may issue" state?

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Dan    177

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My boss is from PA and (without reading the article) what he explained to me the problem is the fact that if someone in PA is rejected for the CCW they just go and get a FL one. There is a VERY easy solution for the problem. Require someone that lives in PA to have a PA CCW to carry there. Exactly how the FL one works. If you live in FL you NEED a FL CCW to carry. Period.

 

well said +1

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My boss is from PA and (without reading the article) what he explained to me the problem is the fact that if someone in PA is rejected for the CCW they just go and get a FL one. There is a VERY easy solution for the problem. Require someone that lives in PA to have a PA CCW to carry there. Exactly how the FL one works. If you live in FL you NEED a FL CCW to carry. Period.

 

But it's a solution to a "problem" that doesn't exist. The character provision in PA law seems to only be "enforced" in Philadelphia, where Commissioner Ramsey has gone on record saying that nobody should be "allowed" to carry a gun. Remember, this douchebag was also police commissioner in Chicago and D.C.. People have been denied permits in Philly who have unpaid parking tickets. Does anybody on here really believe that an unpaid parking ticket should strip you of a constitutional right?

 

The other part, that the report really didn't tell you, is that many people from PA will get a FL permit so they can travel and be covered in states that PA doesn't have reciprocity with. The funny part is, they aren't calling it a UT loophole (though a change in UT law would not allow someone from PA without a PA permit to get a UT permit, since they share reciprocity), or a VA or AZ "loophole". They only vilify FL, which has stricter training requirements than PA does.

 

The biggest thing that aggravates me is that the councilman proves he knows nothing when he opens his mouth. He said that "some bureaucrat in FL should not be deciding who can carry a gun in Philly". Well that dumbass needs to be told that it was the PA AG, whose job and duty it is to seek out reciprocal agreements with other states, who decided it was OK for a PA resident to carry on a FL permit, not "some bureaucrat in FL".

 

The good news is that PA has a good preemption law and no dumb Philly gun ordinance has ever stood up to a court challenge. Some of them have been tossed out of court due to lack of standing, but I imagine if any of them are actually enforced, that Philly will lose badly in court.

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