Shawnmoore81 623 Posted December 14, 2013 Over what and why? P.S. HE, what's the deal with the Tango Down grip on the dept gun? Always looked weird to me. Over what> every stock I've handled. Why> It's has a nice cheek weld. Holds batteries. Doesn't have any wiggle when locked (for places you don't pin). It's magpuls 2nd strongest stock (ubr was 1st but is a no go in nj) I like that it had a guard so the lever is protected. And I love the company magpul. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,730 Posted December 15, 2013 SOPMOD and don't look back. County Issued Colt R0933 Commando with SOPMOD: Dept Issued Colt R0933 Commando with club foot imod: ETA: This dept gun now is wearing a B5 Bravo stock as it is as close to a SOPMOD stock as I can get and still fit in the rack in the squad car. And yes, the dept gun is on semi. SOP is condition 3 (mag in, bolt forward on an empty chamber), hammer down, selector on semi (can't go to safe with the hammer down). I see you use the B A D lever, is that standard issue or your preference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted December 15, 2013 Personal preference. Unlike the grip, which is a replacement part and by policy requires only specific parts for an armorer to install, the BAD is a bolt on part that is not a permanent modification. It therefore falls under "Approval by Dept Armorer" (which is me ) for duty use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted December 15, 2013 put the BCM grip and the standard imod stock on that bottom rifle and thats heaven right there. are they both full auto? and the t1 from the top rifle too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted December 15, 2013 Over what> every stock I've handled. That's informative... For all we know it is the only stock you have handled making your opinion worthless. For example, the SOPMOD also stores batteries and locks up super tight to the receiver extension, but without the need for a locking lever. Have you ever used one to compare against the magpul? Not trying to be a d!ck, just looking for constructive answers that are useful. put the BCM grip and the standard imod stock on that bottom rifle and thats heaven right there. are they both full auto? and the t1 from the top rifle tooBoth full auto, but almost never used in FA. Between the 2, the top rifle is my favorite to shoot and is set up perfect for my needs. I wouldn't change a thing, and would like to set up both rifles identically. If had my druthers, I would carry the top rifle for both jobs. One other plus for the SOPMOD is the rubber pad at the back of the stock, especially if you are shooting in armor. The back of the VLTOR imod is slick as sh!t against nylon/cordura. The SOPMOD sticks to your shoulder like velcro. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted December 15, 2013 That's informative... For all we know it is the only stock you have handled making your opinion worthless. For example, the SOPMOD also stores batteries and locks up super tight to the receiver extension, but without the need for a locking lever. Have you ever used one to compare against the magpul? Not trying to be a d!ck, just looking for constructive answers that are useful. Both full auto, but almost never used in FA. Between the 2, the top rifle is my favorite to shoot and is set up perfect for my needs. I wouldn't change a thing, and would like to set up both rifles identically. If had my druthers, I would carry the top rifle for both jobs. One other plus for the SOPMOD is the rubber pad at the back of the stock, especially if you are shooting in armor. The back of the VLTOR imod is slick as sh!t against nylon/cordura. The SOPMOD sticks to your shoulder like velcro. The post is what stock you prefer. Not what's the absolute best stock on the planet. That's the one I like the best. I also like the company magpul a lot so I tend to eye their stuff first. Telling the antigun politicians in Colorado where to stick it was a great thing. As far as the sopmod, no I haven't messed with one. I have nothing against em I just went with the str. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SgtToadette 59 Posted December 15, 2013 I just ordered a BCM mod3 grip and I'll report back with my results. Unfortunately, my current stock (MOE) is pinned through the buffer tube and I don't have the tools to remove it myself. It may be a while before I get the chance to install the B5 bravo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted December 15, 2013 Also the magpul I can fix without drilling easily. That's another plus. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted December 15, 2013 I just ordered a BCM mod3 grip and I'll report back with my results. Unfortunately, my current stock (MOE) is pinned through the buffer tube and I don't have the tools to remove it myself. It may be a while before I get the chance to install the B5 bravo. I'd just buy a new tube. You can either save the stock for your next build or sell it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted December 15, 2013 The post is what stock you prefer. Not what's the absolute best stock on the planet. That's the one I like the best. I also like the company magpul a lot so I tend to eye their stuff first. Telling the antigun politicians in Colorado where to stick it was a great thing. As far as the sopmod, no I haven't messed with one. I have nothing against em I just went with the str. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Right, but preference is based on experiencing different options and then choosing one to be your preference. Preference is very subjective and can be based on many factors, but all things being equal, someone who has tried out ten different variations of something is going to have a better idea of what they prefer than someone who has only ever tried one particular model. That's all I am saying. I also like Magpul - they are a standup company and Rich and Drake are good people - and have used a few of their stocks - currently the MOE, CTR, PRS. I had a UBR, ACS and STR. Interestingly enough I did not like the ACS or STR at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted December 15, 2013 That's informative... For all we know it is the only stock you have handled making your opinion worthless. For example, the SOPMOD also stores batteries and locks up super tight to the receiver extension, but without the need for a locking lever. Have you ever used one to compare against the magpul? Not trying to be a d!ck, just looking for constructive answers that are useful. Both full auto, but almost never used in FA. Between the 2, the top rifle is my favorite to shoot and is set up perfect for my needs. I wouldn't change a thing, and would like to set up both rifles identically. If had my druthers, I would carry the top rifle for both jobs. One other plus for the SOPMOD is the rubber pad at the back of the stock, especially if you are shooting in armor. The back of the VLTOR imod is slick as sh!t against nylon/cordura. The SOPMOD sticks to your shoulder like velcro. weird. my imod has a rubber pad from the factory. (admitted - imod chose purely for aesthetics) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted December 15, 2013 (edited) Awesome! But as you can see mine does not, this makes me sad Mine are old VLTOR mod-stocks, (imod before they called them imod) good to know they upgraded that in the newest iterations. My emod has the rubber pad though: Still like the SOPMOD best ETA: There's that TD grip again I upgraded my MP15-22 up with parts from the parts bin including the eoturd. I won all the TD stuff (stubby, pistol grip, rail covers) for being high shooter in an EAG carbine 2 course and I wasn't using it for anything else.... I will likely be getting a BCM Gunfighter grip for it soonest. Edited December 15, 2013 by High Exposure Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted December 15, 2013 Just messing around with the stocks and I thought of something.... If you are using the SOPMOD on a rifle that needs a pinned stock you will not be able to use the two storage tubes. You can use the tubes on the Magpul ACS, STR, and the VOLTOR imod and emod even when pinned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted December 15, 2013 i'll have to try the sopmod next if there is anything i dislike about the imod once i start actually using it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SgtToadette 59 Posted December 15, 2013 I'd just buy a new tube. You can either save the stock for your next build or sell it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD The tube runs, like, over $100, so financially it makes more sense to try and salvage it. If I ran a standard tube I would, though. EDIT: I misunderstood what you were saying. I may just do that... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted December 15, 2013 Yikes $100 for a tube? Is it the pws? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SgtToadette 59 Posted December 15, 2013 Yikes $100 for a tube? Is it the pws? *sigh* ...yeeeeeeah... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted December 15, 2013 Lol. Yeah, if I didn't live in nj I would consider it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted December 15, 2013 weird. my imod has a rubber pad from the factory. (admitted - imod chose purely for aesthetics) can you measure the stock front to back.. what is the length? thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted December 15, 2013 Will do when I get home Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted December 15, 2013 (edited) can you measure the stock front to back.. what is the length? thanks IMOD is 6.62" long with the rubber butt pad. http://www.vltor.com/imod-basic.html IMOD at a glance Dimensions Length: 6.250” (without buttpad) Length: 6.626” (with buttpad) Width: 2.500” (with storage compartments installed) Height: 5.210” (with buttpad installed) Weight: 9.4oz EMOD is 7.75"http://www.vltor.com/EMOD-New.html EMOD at a glance Dimensions Length w/buttpad 7.75 inches (at centerline of tube) LOP fully collapsed 11.5 inches LOP fully extended 14.75 inches Weight 14oz The SOPMOD is just a hair under 7.5" and weighs in at 11.5oz. Also a pretty good article about stocks on different rifle/carbine configurations: http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/ar15-buttstock-considerations Edited December 15, 2013 by High Exposure Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Porthole 15 Posted December 16, 2013 And yes, the dept gun is on semi. SOP is condition 3 (mag in, bolt forward on an empty chamber), hammer down, selector on semi (can't go to safe with the hammer down). My son's department has the same protocol. Reason being if you have time to get a patrol rifle out, you have time to chamber the round. Should eliminate episodes like the Chino motor cop with his AR. http://ktla.com/2013/10/23/3-students-hurt-when-cops-gun-discharges-at-school-safety-demo/ Do you find any issues having similar rifles with different setups? And what do you not care for with the EoTech? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntingPaper 62 Posted December 16, 2013 I really like ACE stocks in both lenghts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alowerlevel 77 Posted December 16, 2013 Just saw this recently, but have no experience with it http://www.missionfirsttactical.com/Products/Battlelink-stocks/BATTLELINK-Utility-Stock_6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SgtToadette 59 Posted December 16, 2013 I never see anyone rock these. They seem pretty decent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted December 16, 2013 That's a LaRue RAT stock. My buddy has one on a .300 blk, was pretty nice. I have one waiting for my next build. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SgtToadette 59 Posted December 16, 2013 That's a LaRue RAT stock. My buddy has one on a .300 blk, was pretty nice. I have one waiting for my next build. The cheek weld seems like a hybrid between a MOE/CTR and the B5 Bravo. They're definitely unique, which is cool in itself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted December 16, 2013 My son's department has the same protocol. Reason being if you have time to get a patrol rifle out, you have time to chamber the round. Should eliminate episodes like the Chino motor cop with his AR. http://ktla.com/2013/10/23/3-students-hurt-when-cops-gun-discharges-at-school-safety-demo/ It's a good policy. I just wish it was bolt forward on empty chamber, hammer cocked, selector on SAFE, mag in. It seems there is a belief (based in complete fantasy) that leaving the hammer cocked will weaken the springs over time that could eventually causing a weak hit on the primer. Do you find any issues having similar rifles with different setups?They are all set up pretty close actually. The white light and vert grip are in the same place, the stocks are very close on LOP and all have similar profiles (the middle gun has a B5 Bravo stock on it now), and the slings are set up the same. Also the bottom rifle is a .22 trainer while the other two are work guns. And what do you not care for with the EoTech? The EO has abysmal battery life, L3 has crappy CS, it is unreliable, it has a stupid auto off feature, I find it has a busy reticle, they designed the battery compartment poorly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted December 17, 2013 Just saw this recently, but have no experience with it http://www.missionfirsttactical.com/Products/Battlelink-stocks/BATTLELINK-Utility-Stock_6 really considered it a LOT.. but just not sure about the "hook" aspect of it.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted December 17, 2013 A guy that lives in the town I work in is a rep/dealer for MFT. He have me a few stocks to try out. They were OK. I put them with CAA or Mako. No where near as well made or comfortable as a Magpul, B5, LMT, VLTOR, etc... That "minimalist" stock wasn't one I got hands on, but it looks like it would be an exercise in frustration. That "hook" would get caught on everything, snag hazards in the environment, chest rigs, slings, armor carriers.. No thanks. Plus, I would not want to mortar that thing try to clear a malfunction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites